My questions is, Is the Phantom grip worth while getting. I've been reading both good and bad things about it. I'm also not going to spend the $1200 for quaife.

I don't plan on racing it ever, but I do plan on boosting from 15psi to 20psi after the motor break in. Do I really need a LSD?

It won't hurt, but I wouldn't recommend the PG.

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How much are those obx dealies?

I've heard they're just a quaife knock off aside from the precision in which it's assembled. I'm told sometimes the friction disks aren't in the differential the way they should be and you have to tinker with them....

I've never seen the two next to eachother to compare but i'm told they're the same. Look into them.

I've never heard of an OBX LSD working.

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Well i was bored recently and did some research on the obx lsd. I stumbled onto the neon forums which quite a few members seem to be running the lsd with great success.
They have taken apart the lsd and found that the bellevilles (spring washers) were cracked on a arrival or would crack soon after. So all they do is replace the washers, some people also replaced the bolts which hold the lsd together.
There are people on the forums selling new better washers for about 15$
There is a member on the forum with 18k miles on his obx

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They work, but they have minor issues.

Issues are:
Case bolts sometimes arent torqued down all the way.
Snap ring on axle needs to be removed OR bevel the edges inside the diff to allow use of snap rings (recommended)
Possible broken spring washers (1-2 known cases) replacements are avail from a guy here on the org
And 1 guy didnt ahve the axle splines machined into his.. lol

But I do have one in my autoX car, soo to be boosted car. It works good.

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I've heard helical lsds are the shit. I've also heard friction disk diffs are more responsive and more aggressive but wear out faster and need to be maintained alot more often. By wear out, i mean if those disks get to hot, you're fucked and then it feels like you have no diff at all. I guess it all depends how abusive you are and what the application is. Alot of people use disk-type lsds without problems.


I've heard bad things about the obx diff. Fuck, i've heard bad things about obx in general. I dont think i'll buy any of their products. They can't control their quality worth a shit and are just pumping out parts making that money. That's not comforting.

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please don't put a OBX "LSD" in your car, if you want the performance of a LSD you will have to buy a Quaife, plain and simple, no short cuts here.

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I'll look into them....

I've seen them go for $400 shipped on ebay.

I fell into some shit this year and it's not looking like anything i've planned to do is going to happen until the end of next january. I do NEED an lsd badly. I dont have power steering (and never will on this car) and torque steer is a fucking bitch. I hate it with a passion.

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gl, as for "perfering" obx over quaife...the guys's retarted...the quaife is machined better, and NO ONE has ever had a real problem with them...vs obx where youd be hard pressed to find good reviews...

im in your shoes with the same ~hp goals or boost goals even tho they are 2 diif things.. and well if your gunna put $$ into it to make that power reliably, then you have to pay to play...what good is hp if all u do is spinand cant put the power to the ground..so IMO lsd is reqired if you want to justify what youve made your car into..it breaks me to se more and more people cheeping out , especailly on sumthing like the LSD.. PG has at least worked and its 50/50 on ppl who like it or dont.. but obx is like 5/95..95 being ppl who dont like it.. look at the rest of their crap..what makes u think they put any more care or quality into your obx LSD...

GL with it and i hope im wrong and the obx lasts..but odds and FACTS are against you.but GL

and fyi i rock the quaife LSD, and i didnt have a single problem with the install, and im not a "trans wizzard" it was a pretty simple/stright forward install

eh.. those ar hondas...they last for ever with w/e u put in them.. u cant really compare them to us..just b/c it works on their plat form dosent mean it will on ours..mayb they are not pushing the same #s who knows... but w/e, i guess some like to risk more and have more fun repairng then driving.. how bout comparing how many DSM owners like their obx lsd..

its made of anf from inferior parts and machining.. and im sure its really noisy..but w/e

btw, are you running onei n your dsm....?

Being a perusor of our cousin site (and a listed "neon enthusiast" at that, lol), I'm going to agree with rbryant on this one, The Neons guys generally like the OBX as long as it has the modifications that Rich mentions. Now this is a "for the price" consideration.

As for prefering the OBX over the Quaife......heh, heh. I think I would prefer another mechanic.

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I don't buy parts that are broken brand new. Are you kidding me?

If they can't remember to machine axle splines, they obviously don't test them, and box them blindfolded. If they can't torque bolts, or use the proper grade washers, do you think they can machine the gears to the thousand of inch they need to be?

This is too funny.

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I just took my tranny and obx lsd to a tranny shop. I spoke to the mechanic there. He has installed quite a few obx lsd's into various vehicles and has had no trouble with them. He actually "prefers" the obx because it apparently fits better fits better than the quaife.

Ill post results in about two weeks when i get my rebuild finished

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