I'm guessing that has got to be the fastest. Gotta be happy with that! Now that I am there, I may take a break for a while with the 420a. Gotta work on the AWD. Possibly I'll come down to the SO. I dunno. I know I can cut a light and run with the guys running low 14's. Nice to be able to beat both the FWD and AWD turbo stockers!
#5249, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 0
Originally posted by bullettdsm Ran Friday with the local club at LVD: 14.597@93.47! I'm guessing that has got to be the fastest. Gotta be happy with that! Now that I am there, I may take a break for a while with the 420a. Gotta work on the AWD. Possibly I'll come down to the SO. I dunno. I know I can cut a light and run with the guys running low 14's. Nice to be able to beat both the FWD and AWD turbo stockers! Just thought I would share MB
Can i ask you a quick ? any Weight reduction mods. Dont take this the wrong way i'm looking to give a run for the money pending the new job. Like i said dont take that that wrong way i actully would like to work with sombody that expierence pushing the 420a. Instead of competing we could co operate and gain more on the turbo guys. Another ? the 5 valve job did you see a great improvement on that one extra Exhaust or intake.
#5250, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 11 Jul-15-06 09:53 AM by bullettdsm
No, I'm not taking it the wrong way. The more the merrier . I'd love more people to get into the NA mode. Please have at it. I'm really not in competition, I'm more in curiousity. Just want to see how far these can go.
The only weight reduction was the seats and the spare tire. I got a lot more that I can do, I'm just taking this a step at a time. As for the 5 vs 3 angle, I really can't say. I just felt that since my intended red line was 8500 (which is now 7800 because of a malfunction in the ECU) I wanted to get as smooth a flow as I could.
I've got no problem answering any questions. You can feel free to PM me or we can talk about it on the thread. There are a few others that are running down this same road. Good die-hards with lots of info. Keep in mind a couple of things; It is not just how much power you are putting out; it is what you are doing with your power. I am beating guys who have more power and less weight then me.
And more importantly, you will HAVE to come up with some way to adjust/change you stock timing and fuel A/F. I was lucky enough to have a 97 which allowed me to use the AF/X ECU. Otherwise, it seems that the choice of interest is the MSnS.
#5251, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 12
I thought for sure that run was made with your redline at 8000+. I didnn't figure on you still having that ecu malfunction. Has Gary taken care of that yet?
I'm curious/excited to see what can be done with you revving 8K+...
#5252, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 13 Jul-15-06 01:04 PM by bullettdsm
I've got my stock ECU ready to go in (thanks to R34Eclipse) but I can't take it out now do to the down time. I'm going to approach Gary at the end of the season when I can put that slow ass stock ECU in and send my AFX ECU.
It's kind of funny on my 1 to 2 shift. I can often hear one little pop as the limiter comes in because I am shifting that close to the line. In all honesty, with my set-up, I would only use the 8500 on the 1 to 2 shift. It climbs real quick at that and allows me to fall back into power range. It seems that I want to hit the 2 to 3 shift at right around 7800. Just short of wheelspin but it falls back into power range.
The higher red line not being there is just one more thing that makes me think I can lower the time.
#5253, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 14
Hey, what was your upgrade path?? I currently have the full exhaust, and intake, and am working to improve the head; also I am looking to advance my timing, any advice? My car pulls really hard and was dynoed at 147 stock with my cat back, anyway, congrats on that run, I was waiting for someone to give turbo a run for their money! And hey how much did it cost you to get to where you’re at now??
-Keith
'92 BMW 325i - 3.91 LSD....Cold air intake....M52 headers.....Track pipe....Remus back....Fan Delete....UUC short throw...M3 Clutch Flywheel & Drive Shaft...Tien Coil overs
#5254, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 14
Originally posted by bullettdsm In all honesty, with my set-up, I would only use the 8500 on the 1 to 2 shift. It climbs real quick at that and allows me to fall back into power range. It seems that I want to hit the 2 to 3 shift at right around 7800. Just short of wheelspin but it falls back into power range. The higher red line not being there is just one more thing that makes me think I can lower the time. MB
Makes sense using the redline on 1-2 shift. Maybe when you get that ecu straightened out, you can bump the 2-3 up to 8K even...if it don't spin, to eek out a little more time.
Keep us posted Mark, I am sitting here VERY intrigued. I would like to see 14.3s. I think that is possible. Then who knows, instead of the goal being to crack 14s, maybe it will be 13s?
#5255, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 15
Originally posted by talon749 Hey, what was your upgrade path?? I currently have the full exhaust, and intake, and am working to improve the head; also I am looking to advance my timing, any advice? My car pulls really hard and was dynoed at 147 stock with my cat back, anyway, congrats on that run, I was waiting for someone to give turbo a run for their money! And hey how much did it cost you to get to where you’re at now??
Check out his mod list at the top of this thread. And check out his other threads, he explains it.
#5256, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 12
Originally posted by bullettdsm No, I'm not taking it the wrong way. The more the merrier . I'd love more people to get into the NA mode. Please have at it. I'm really not in competition, I'm more in curiousity. Just want to see how far these can go. The only weight reduction was the seats and the spare tire. I got a lot more that I can do, I'm just taking this a step at a time. As for the 5 vs 3 angle, I really can't say. I just felt that since my intended red line was 8500 (which is now 7800 because of a malfunction in the ECU) I wanted to get as smooth a flow as I could. I've got no problem answering any questions. You can feel free to PM me or we can talk about it on the thread. There are a few others that are running down this same road. Good die-hards with lots of info. Keep in mind a couple of things; It is not just how much power you are putting out; it is what you are doing with your power. I am beating guys who have more power and less weight then me. And more importantly, you will HAVE to come up with some way to adjust/change you stock timing and fuel A/F. I was lucky enough to have a 97 which allowed me to use the AF/X ECU. Otherwise, it seems that the choice of interest is the MSnS. Good luck, MB
Thanks mine i hve a 97 to so i've already looked at the AF/X ECU i'm goign this week to pick up a carbon Fiber hood and put my header on when it gets here. I think when we goto the track this friday i'm goign to gut the interior completey out *sans dash* but idk. The whole thing is kinda like a project car for our little business and my buddy currently holds the 2200 Cavalier NA record. So he has alot of expiernce in the area. Another ? have you used slicks yet if so how much of a emprovement.
#5257, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 18
Originally posted by Dreamspawn i'm goign to gut the interior completey out *sans dash* but idk.
Consenus is that, for every 100lbs you remove from the car, you can shave a tenth off your E.T.. This *only* applies to experienced drivers who are consistent with their times. Squid Skins, up in Canada, offers CF and fiberglass 2Gb body components for the Talon which, according to the owner (with whom I have discussed this a couple times), shave about 600lbs off the car. They aren't cheap, but if Mark levels off at 14.5s, consistently, reducing the weight of the car by 600lbs could, theoretically at least, put him into high 13s all motor. I would shit my pants.
Originally posted by Dreamspawn Thanks mine i hve a 97 to so i've already looked at the AF/X ECU
If you are serious about making some record-breaking NA times, I'm going to go ahead and say you need to get MSnS. The AFX/R is great. I had it, I loved it, and I miss having it installed on my car. The stock ECU is a stupid turd concerned only with economy and reliability. The AFX/R is a nice step up which requires no thinking whatsoever, but for the money, the MSnS gives you much, much more tunability for your mods and will allow you to fully make use of them.
#5258, "RE: 14.597 Okey Dokey" In response to Reply # 18
Dreamspawn,
Last time on the track was the first time with slicks. So obviously they helped. Still haven't got the tire pressure dialed in. I really needed them for the 1 to 2 shift and the 2 to 3 shift. Got rid of the wheel spin. Great that you got the 97. AF/X is a big difference over the stock ECU. You will need to change the timing etc from stock either with AF/X or the MSnS.
Talon749; I'm not busting on you or anything. Believe me, stranger things have happened, but 147 to the wheels with just an intake and a header sounds very unusual. Our cars generally run about 110whp stock. To gain 37 from just those two add-ons makes me want to question your dyno guy's accuracy. Again, just very unusual.
That being said; You can check my previous mod list for the extent of my mods. I have been telling people that for less than 3k you can run right around 15 and have a rebuilt engine. I sat down and did a litle math;
Some of the parts were good used and all of the labor was mine. This does not include things like a timing "kit" (maybe around 160), or oil pump (another 150?) or suspension mods needed. The reason for that is is because many do already have those things so I don't want to skew the numbers. The list is necessary things. I did spend another 400 on my suspension. This is needed to get the power to the ground. But you will need that regardless of what you build, be it NA or otherwise. I also spent 40 on a solid front roll stop engine mount and another 50 for the other motor mounts.
In addition to this money I probably spent around another $1000 for "R+D". I did buy/make some things just to check them out and see if they would fit in with what I was doing. I junked a brand new header, I've got both a modular and non modular clutch, I made three TB's, I've got a partial CAI brand new in my junk box, I've got a head with grinding holes into the water jackets (heh, heh), I've got three different intakes. Things like that. You've got to be able to accept that you WILL waste some money and time (I know that Brian can attest to that ).
Good luck to you guys and keep us posted. Gotta run, MB
