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Avenger	Nov-16-04 12:07 PM
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#79285, "RE: Who uses HRC and who uses STAR?? Just a poll"

Originally posted by Cereal5
I went with star because it is slightly more flexible as well when it comes to changing it up to fit your needs. T3 style flange vs a mitsu. Many more turbo's to choose from. External waste gate. Always better, unless you are a basic daily driver. Mildly better fuel set up (fmu vs cartech) slightly better manifold the star FMIC is better then the hahn SMIC, which is what you get if you're comparing stage 2 kits at the same price. FMIC is HRC stage 2 + 800 dollars. That said, I still tossed the FMU, BOV, and wastegate from the star kit. And if your are a beginner do-it-yourself'er, then HRC might be the way to go, since star customer service simply does not exist. Do not expect to recieve any support. They will *NOT* provide you with lost misc. parts (i.e. clamps, hoses, etc.), and the directions suck balls.

Ah, will the abundance of bad information never end. Don't take any offense I just need to point out whats wrong with this.

The HRC turbo manifold uses a T3 bolt pattern because the Mitsu 10cm^2 exhaust housing uses a t3 flange. Go figure.

External wastegate so much better than the internal gate. Like 99% of you can outflow the standard internal gate ... ohh 5psi ... ohh 15psi ... ohh 46 trim t3/t4 hybrid. Gimme a break. You should tell that to peolpe running internally gated FP Greens that double your power output. Ohh lets swap out the deltagate ... actually have a reason for doing it other than I got a nifty Tial out of it instead.

The star FMIC is pretty shitty. Aside from the core it's pretty crappy in construction.

Here's the bottom line ... both kits are fine if you are going to run 5psi or even 10psi. Lets take each one apart piece by piece (even though I KNOW I've written this before).

Manifold - Star has an externally gated log-style cast iron manifold with a t3 flange. Being a cast peice it has its casting imprefections that can affect flow. Everyone loves the external gate but remember you're still limited 2 wastegates ... tial 38mm and the deltagate. You can't run those big honking racing wastegates wrong bolt pattern. Worst part about it it just plain sucks to bolt up! A monkey could've designed something a little better than that. The jury is still out on how well it flows when you start pushing some serious air through the motor.

Manifold - HRC manifold is a welded steel manifold. Construction is pretty good but as a welded manifold it can crack. T3 pattern for the super series HRC turbos. Not that you can't bolt up anything with a t3 flange. Still a log-style manifold. Not the greatest in bolting up but I like it better than the Star manifold. Seems to be able to flow a decent amount.

Turbo - Star has a t3/t4 hybrid. Multiple variations. Can't complain about it except that 90% of Star users just never come close to pushing their turbos past 15psi. Boo!

Turbo - HRC has the super series turbos. The s16g is defintely a street turbo. Won't flow great when you start uping the boost. s20g ans s25g are pretty nice but still don't flow as much as well matched Garett turbo.

Downpipe - Star ... sorry its just sucks. I don't know who they sourced their flanges from but they don't come close to matching up to the turbo side. No flex section, no support. The only good thing is it's 2.5".

Downpipe - HRC ... sorry its just sucks too. Not even a full downpipe and the whole clamp thing ... BLEH!!!!

Fuel system - Star .... it's ok.

Fuel system - HRC .... craptech sucks ... nuff said.

BOV - Star ... HKS Standard. I wouldn't run it past 1 bar.

BOV - HRC ... 3kGT BOV. It's alright for 5 psi car.

Other than that I rate the kits the same. Yeah they both suck and they are both ok. Depending on how far you go you'll end up replacing the turbo, the downpipe, the manifold, BOV, and fuel system regardless of the kit. If you have a star you'll end up eventually replacing the FMIC, if you have a HRC and don't have the HRC FMIC you'll replace the SMIC.

There you have it. This is a plain fact but 90% of those people that buy the kits will never get past 10-15psi. Everything that either kit comes with you can use at those levels. Even those people that build their own custom kits still don't make it those boost and power levels either.

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