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TeamMetalJimMar-16-03 11:17 PM
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On the top end - it seems like smaller cams seem to react better than bigger cams to the same adjustment. This kind of makes sense to me, cause if you already have big overlap - one degree more isn't going to give you that much. Here's an example. Retarding the exhaust 4 degrees on the Crane 12 shows a nice torque gain on the lower end up to 3500, and a 5hp gain from 6500 up. The same adjustment on the Crane 16 shows a real nice torque gain down low, but there's only a 2hp gain on top.

In general - Retarding the exhaust always shows an improvement on the top end - and usually shows a neglagable decrease in power in the mid range. Sometimes retarding the exhaust shows a gain over the whole range. Advancind the exhaust always removes power from the entire range. Retarding the intake shows an increase in top end and a decrease in low/mid range(usually substantial compared to the gain in the top end). Advancing the intake usually shows an increase(sometimes neglegable) in the mid range and a loss(sometimes substantial) on the top end. Mixing and matching advance on the intake and retard on the exhaust usually shows a curve that is influenced by doing each adjustment on it's own.

I don't know what the theoretical answer is, but according to what I'm seeing on this program it seems that in general - retarding the exhaust seems the best way to make power overall. All cams are different though, and "whats looks good" in the low, mid, and high range may be different for some people. Most of the time I can get a descent curve by just retarding the exhaust. Somtimes it takes a mix of retarding the exhaust and mucking with the intake to find what I want.

One thing I will say about Dyno2000 - they could have made it easier to make adjustments for DOHC. They have this Timing adv/ret field - that you can easily adjust both by - like for a single cam engine. But if you want to tweak the timing seperately then you basically have to change the profile through the cam math window. It works and you get used to it, but it could be made easier.


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Camshaft discussion & comparison [View all] , TeamAvenger, Apr-20-05 05:13 PM
  RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Mar-06-03 10:01 AM, #1
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-06-03 10:13 AM, #2
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ModeratorVX100, Mar-06-03 10:20 AM, #3
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-06-03 10:24 AM, #4
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-06-03 11:05 AM, #5
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-06-03 04:34 PM, #6
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-07-03 04:15 AM, #7
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-07-03 06:16 PM, #8
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, gzrs99, Mar-08-03 08:17 AM, #9
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ModeratorVX100, Mar-08-03 09:15 AM, #10
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-09-03 12:40 AM, #11
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-10-03 06:46 AM, #12
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ModeratorVX100, Mar-10-03 07:21 AM, #13
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Mar-10-03 06:15 PM, #14
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-10-03 07:03 PM, #15
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-10-03 08:10 PM, #16
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Fast420A, Mar-10-03 10:31 PM, #17
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-13-03 11:19 PM, #18
                                         RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-14-03 03:57 AM, #19
                                              RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-14-03 03:40 PM, #20
                                                   RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-15-03 07:25 PM, #21
                                                        RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-15-03 09:12 PM, #22
                                                             RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-16-03 11:17 PM #23
                                                                  RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-17-03 06:21 PM, #24
                                                                       RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-20-03 10:22 AM, #25
                                                                            RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-20-03 12:52 PM, #26
                                                                                 RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, gzrs99, Mar-25-03 10:42 PM, #27
                                                                                      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-26-03 09:50 PM, #28
                                                                                           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, 1TuffRS, Apr-08-03 06:14 PM, #29
                                                                                                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, vegasdsmr, Apr-08-03 08:03 PM, #30
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, Apr-10-03 01:04 PM, #31
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Apr-10-03 05:47 PM, #32
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Apr-10-03 05:57 PM, #33
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Apr-14-03 05:59 AM, #34
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, Apr-14-03 12:46 PM, #35
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, MotoFool, Apr-16-03 06:55 AM, #36
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, 98Turbo420A, Apr-29-03 06:05 PM, #37
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ScarFace19, May-02-03 08:15 PM, #38
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ScarFace19, May-11-03 06:36 AM, #39
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TalonSpeed, May-11-03 12:17 PM, #40
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, May-12-03 04:43 AM, #41
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, May-16-03 09:40 AM, #42
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, May-17-03 05:15 AM, #43
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, May-17-03 08:36 PM, #44
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, May-28-03 06:59 AM, #45
                                         Sam, S-AFC settings?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jun-02-03 11:22 AM, #46
                                              RE: Cams..., wakeboard99, Jun-02-03 12:04 PM, #47
                                              RE: Sam, S-AFC settings?, SEA97GS, Jun-17-03 03:09 PM, #48
                                                   RE:Cams?!, Dark Ringleader, Aug-21-03 05:22 AM, #49
                                                        RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Aug-25-03 05:02 PM, #50
                                                             RE:Cams?!, Eclipse2NR, Oct-27-03 05:19 AM, #51
                                                                  RE:Cams?!, babybeclipse, Nov-24-03 10:09 AM, #52
                                                                       RE:Cams?!, babybeclipse, Nov-24-03 05:32 PM, #53
                                                                            RE:Cams?!, Chamuko, Dec-03-03 02:44 PM, #54
                                                                            RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-18-03 06:36 PM, #55
                                                                                 RE:Cams?!, Dave41079, Dec-19-03 04:01 AM, #56
                                                                                      RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-19-03 05:00 AM, #57
                                                                                      RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-19-03 06:41 AM, #58
                                                                                           RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Dec-19-03 07:19 AM, #59
                                                                                                RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-19-03 12:55 PM, #60
                                                                                                     RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Dec-19-03 02:04 PM, #61
                                                                                                          RE:Cams?!, AdministratorCODE4, Dec-23-03 05:28 PM, #62
                                                                                                               RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Dec-24-03 05:37 AM, #63
                                                                                                                    RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-24-03 07:14 AM, #64
                                                                                                                         RE:Cams?!, TeamDR1665, Dec-24-03 08:50 AM, #65
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, turbo8u, Dec-24-03 09:15 AM, #66
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-24-03 11:13 AM, #67
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-24-03 11:57 AM, #68
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-24-03 11:58 AM, #69
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-26-03 07:27 AM, #70
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-26-03 04:05 PM, #71
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-27-03 09:05 AM, #72
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, TeamDR1665, Dec-27-03 03:54 PM, #73
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-27-03 11:12 PM, #74
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-29-03 02:19 PM, #75
                                                                                                                                        RE:Cams?!, TeamDR1665, Dec-30-03 08:17 AM, #76
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Jan-09-04 12:10 PM, #77
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, BlueMoonEclipse, Jan-12-04 02:59 PM, #78
                                                                                                                                   WTF have I been..., Skrilla, Jan-20-04 05:17 AM, #81
                                                                                                                                   holy..., Skrilla, Jan-20-04 05:17 AM, #82
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 04:19 AM, #79
                                                                                                                                        RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Jan-20-04 04:03 PM, #88
Crower 3 Specs., TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 04:22 AM, #80
RE: Crower 3 Specs., Skrilla, Jan-20-04 05:23 AM, #83
      RE: Crower 3 Specs., TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 05:46 AM, #84
      Main cams i want compared, BlueMoonEclipse, Jan-20-04 10:48 AM, #85
           RE: Main cams i want compared, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 11:02 AM, #86
           RE: Main cams i want compared, cougar694u, Jan-20-04 03:46 PM, #87
                RE: Main cams i want compared, thegame, Jan-22-04 04:59 AM, #89
                     RE: Main cams i want compared, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-22-04 05:02 AM, #90
                          RE: Main cams i want compared, thegame, Jan-22-04 05:16 AM, #91
                               RE: Main cams i want compared, Skrilla, Jan-22-04 05:56 AM, #92
                                    RE: Main cams i want compared, thegame, Jan-23-04 03:09 AM, #95
                                         RE: Main cams i want compared, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-23-04 04:00 AM, #96
      RE: Crower 3 Specs., TeamDR1665, Jan-22-04 09:37 AM, #93
           RE: Crower 3 Specs., Skrilla, Jan-22-04 12:19 PM, #94
                RE: Crower 3 Specs., TeamDR1665, Jan-30-04 12:53 PM, #97
                     RE: Crower 3 Specs., BlueMoonEclipse, Feb-02-04 07:52 AM, #98
                          RE: Crower 3 Specs., cougar694u, Feb-02-04 04:25 PM, #99
                               RE: Crower 3 Specs., BlueMoonEclipse, Feb-03-04 05:57 PM, #100
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Feb-25-04 03:19 PM, #101
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Feb-26-04 08:25 AM, #102
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Mar-11-04 04:15 AM, #103
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, WickedESi, Mar-17-04 11:03 PM, #104
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Mar-21-04 05:33 PM, #105
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, WickedESi, Mar-24-04 11:20 AM, #106
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, BumpinTalon, Apr-28-04 02:20 PM, #107
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Apr-29-04 08:38 AM, #108
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, JWoodley, May-17-04 02:14 PM, #109
The real Crower Stage 3 spec, Teamner947, May-17-04 03:18 PM, #110
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, JWoodley, May-17-04 04:22 PM, #111
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, TeamMichael_97RS, May-18-04 08:29 AM, #112
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, TeamAvenger, May-18-04 05:04 PM, #113
      RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, Teamner947, May-22-04 07:57 AM, #114
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, cougar694u, May-25-04 09:19 AM, #115
      RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, TeamMichael_97RS, May-25-04 10:00 AM, #116
           RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, cougar694u, May-25-04 10:09 AM, #117
                Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, JWoodley, Jul-06-04 04:16 PM, #118
                     RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, brokenrodguy, Aug-24-04 07:51 PM, #119
                     RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, Initial DSM, Aug-25-04 09:13 AM, #120
                     RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, cougar694u, Sep-03-04 10:58 AM, #121
                          RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, JWoodley, Sep-06-04 03:10 PM, #122
                               RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, cougar694u, Sep-14-04 12:44 PM, #123
                                    RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, Chamuko, Apr-06-05 04:50 PM, #124
                                         new cam question, tim97rs, Apr-24-05 03:51 PM, #125
                                              RE: new cam question, TeamMichael_97RS, Apr-25-05 06:25 AM, #126
                                              RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Apr-25-05 06:28 AM, #128
                                                   RE: new cam question, TeamMichael_97RS, Apr-25-05 06:31 AM, #129
                                              RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Apr-25-05 06:27 AM, #127
                                                   RE: new cam question, TeamDR1665, Dec-21-05 10:55 AM, #130
                                                        RE: new cam question, TeamDR1665, Dec-21-05 12:18 PM, #131
                                                             RE: new cam question, greygoose, Jan-01-06 07:45 PM, #132
                                                             RE: new cam question, TeamDR1665, Jan-03-06 04:52 AM, #133
                                                             RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Jan-03-06 05:59 AM, #134
                                                                  RE: new cam question, greygoose, Jan-03-06 08:49 PM, #135
                                                                       RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Jan-04-06 03:27 AM, #136
                                                                            RE: new cam question, greygoose, Jan-04-06 09:01 AM, #137
                                                                                 RE: new cam question, DSMTalon, Oct-05-06 02:28 PM, #138
                                                                                      RE: new cam question, Cyexmaster, Sep-05-09 02:46 PM, #139
                                                                                           RE: new cam question, Teamner947, Nov-18-09 10:41 AM, #140
                                                                                                RE: new cam question, Fasttopass, Feb-16-10 06:35 PM, #141
                                                                                                     RE: new cam question, Cyexmaster, Feb-16-10 08:02 PM, #142
                                                                                                          RE: new cam question, cougar694u, May-24-10 07:43 AM, #143
                                                                                                               RE: new cam question, Cert911, Sep-02-10 06:12 PM, #144
                                                                                                                    RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Sep-02-10 07:46 PM, #145
                                                                                                                         RE: new cam question, bnisson, Oct-19-10 01:37 AM, #150
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, eclipse4g, Sep-07-10 10:34 PM, #146
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Sep-08-10 09:23 AM, #147
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Moderatorteklein, Sep-08-10 10:40 AM, #148
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, 420agreenvilleSC, Sep-08-10 05:14 PM, #149
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, iNoise, Apr-30-11 06:55 PM, #151

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