I was going to go with the port fuler, but because of Hahn's HORRIBLE service, I didn’t...THANK GOD

I ended up getting the mega squirt. We just finished the install at 10:45 tonight. OMG, I LOVE this system! Mega squirt 0wnZ IMO.

I have always had a gay idle, and never could get idle right. Always had too much or too little fuel. With a couple of adjustments, I had it idling almost like stock! Even with my crower cams. And mind you, I have never tuned a fuel management system, and this was my first time ever using mega squirt. So those of you who think it’s over your head, it’s really not. I still have to learn a lot about this system, but I already got the hang of it within half an hour.

THANKS TO LEE (MR. SLICK) for helping me all through out the process and pointing me where to go. THIS GUY ROCKS! He is there to help you every step of the way! He knows everything about MS I swear.

Anyways, ill stop ranting, I just wanted to post the install went on, for the most part, with out a hitch!

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Whatr do you want a pict of.....silver box with wires comming out?

What was Hahns horrible service.....Mind you all the Hahn lemmings are going to cry now.

Terry

>> What do you want a pict of.....
>>silver box with wires comming out?

LOL... that's what I'm thinking too

Is it ok to ask what this thing does or am I gonna get flamed and be told to do a search?

Originally posted by DJ420a
Is it ok to ask what this thing does or am I gonna get flamed and be told to do a search?

its ok to ask but you should really search the topic first because you will find all the info rather easily.

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
What was Hahns horrible service.....Mind you all the Hahn lemmings are going to cry now. Terry

I have also had nothing but trouble with Hahn's service lately... I will keep my mouth shut, because I dont want to give negatives, but I will just say that I don't know what your specific issues were, but I have probably experienced them lately as well.. I will be glad to get my port fueler in the mail and stay away from them for awhile...

I would have went with the MS, but I need a fix it and forget it solution for awhile... I am way overloaded with life to have any spare time to put into tuning or anything right now.. My other car is crapping out, and I just need something to drive... Not saying the MS isn't perfectly capable of that, I just got scared off by years of DFI quirks...

I am one of those doubtful people who are not sure if I should go with the Portfueler or the megasquirt.

Hmmm, Mr. Slick, you have a PM from me asking some questions if its not too much trouble :)

All the info you need is right here....

http://www.megasquirt.info/
http://www.msefi.com/

Originally posted by run4cvr
All the info you need is right here.... http://www.megasquirt.info/ http://www.msefi.com/

awesome links. thanks for posting those.

I love this system so much. We played with it all day...We got it running sooooooooooooo smooth...Sad thing is I started smoking ALOT out the exhaust...I thought maybe fuel related...trying to ignore what was obviously apparent. So at 10:54 tonight, I had the turbo off, to find all kinds of oil around the exhaust side of the turbo...not good, oh well, ill have it rebuilt tomorrow :wallbash ...another 250$ down the drain...fuck
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Originally posted by Super20G

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon What was Hahns horrible service.....Mind you all the Hahn lemmings are going to cry now. Terry

I have also had nothing but trouble with Hahn's service lately... I will keep my mouth shut, because I dont want to give negatives, but I will just say that I don't know what your specific issues were, but I have probably experienced them lately as well.. I will be glad to get my port fueler in the mail and stay away from them for awhile... I would have went with the MS, but I need a fix it and forget it solution for awhile... I am way overloaded with life to have any spare time to put into tuning or anything right now.. My other car is crapping out, and I just need something to drive... Not saying the MS isn't perfectly capable of that, I just got scared off by years of DFI quirks...

Yea man. I thought the same thing, but Mr. Slick told me if i needed any help he would help me every step.

Dude, i got the system, and it started right up...no problem! Lee sent me an awesome base map, and the car drove smooth! My car feels totally different. I have SO much more power (went from 8 pounds with no mega squirt, to 16 pounds with mega squirt) it pulls hard through out the whole rpm range....

I was so surprised how the car drove, and i never touched any settings.. Then after a few minor adjustments, it ran PERFECT! Like stock.

This system is the way to go

If I can do this, trust me, anyone can


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Sweeet. I actually ordered my MS kit this morning. I can't wait to build it!

Isnt there a Megatune coming out soon? Would it be worth it to wait for that?

A couple new things will be out for the MS...Waite and see, you will be VERY impressed
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i really dont think anyone should choose PF or MS right now. nobody knows exactly how well the PF works and could be better than the MS. I think its too soon to judge. Also.. nobody is going to try both systems on their car so again.. its going to be hard to judge.

8 injectors? And the stock ecu running the primaries? Uhhh...MS is better...IMO
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Originally posted by siueclipse
i really dont think anyone should choose PF or MS right now. nobody knows exactly how well the PF works and could be better than the MS. I think its too soon to judge. Also.. nobody is going to try both systems on their car so again.. its going to be hard to judge.

That's just a bad answer. A standalone fuel system will always be better than an Additional Injector system in terms of control and tuneability. That's just a given. The MS also has temperature correction as well which I have yet to see an AIC type system have.

On the other hand, the MS (and any standalone for that matter) will always be more complex from installation, to tuning, maintenance, and troubleshooting than an AIC system (regardless of how easy Lee tries to makes it :P) AIC involves less fabrication, less parts, and less knowledge of how a car runs in a particular environment.

In my opinion, in terms or available support and reliability an AIC is better than a standalone. As far as control, the standalone wins hands down. Running a MS MAY give you extra problems in case of problems. Any problems that you have you have to solve. Any repairs to the unit YOU have to do. Also, burning out something in your MS leaves you stranded. Burning out something in your AIC leaves you driving home without boost. These are some facts for you guys to make your decsions based on.

Howdy,

I'm glad you liked the Megasquirt... I told you that you wouldn't be disapointed with it...
Now get a wideband and you'll have so much more tuning ability... not that you don't have enough wiht the narrowband... ;)

As far as which system is better... I'm not going to get into that in this thread... not yet anyway.:+

New things coming to the Megasquirt world:
MS II - This will be a plug in expansion module for the current MS... it will give some new features, and bigger fuel tables. Should be coming "sometime" in the next 6 months...

UMS - This is a totally new standalone... it will be coming who knows when... It could have been here already if they deisgners of Ms hadn't started on the MS II side project...

Personally I doubt I'll be using either of these two systems... at least not for a while yet...
There's so much progress going on with the "Classic Megasquirt" right now that the MS II is almost not needed before it even arrived!
I'm working on some very special things with my Megasquirt right now... some of you guys know about it.. most don't. ;-)

I'll probably announce what I;ve been working on here tonight... ;)
Let's just say what I'm testing will put the Megasquirt ahead of ANY of the standalones currently being used on the 2GNT/420A platform...
Watch this space. :)

Originally posted by Avenger
That's just a bad answer. A standalone fuel system will always be better than an Additional Injector system in terms of control and tuneability. That's just a given. The MS also has temperature correction as well which I have yet to see an AIC type system have. On the other hand, the MS (and any standalone for that matter) will always be more complex from installation, to tuning, maintenance, and troubleshooting than an AIC system (regardless of how easy Lee tries to makes it :P) AIC involves less fabrication, less parts, and less knowledge of how a car runs in a particular environment. In my opinion, in terms or available support and reliability an AIC is better than a standalone. As far as control, the standalone wins hands down. Running a MS MAY give you extra problems in case of problems. Any problems that you have you have to solve. Any repairs to the unit YOU have to do. Also, burning out something in your MS leaves you stranded. Burning out something in your AIC leaves you driving home without boost. These are some facts for you guys to make your decsions based on.

actually, I offer a MS repair service. my boss has the MS system on his 528i euro, and it is a truely bad ass setup, especially with the data logging function. but if anyone has issues with their mega-squirt system failing and it isn't just a programming issue, then I can help.

BTW, congrats on getting your system up and running :thumbsup

Originally posted by siueclipse
i really dont think anyone should choose PF or MS right now. nobody knows exactly how well the PF works and could be better than the MS. I think its too soon to judge. Also.. nobody is going to try both systems on their car so again.. its going to be hard to judge.

Man, this guy is just full of great info!
lol :order

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I'm still holding out to see which to go with. Someone with some serious knowlege should do a write up on each one. Obviously not the same person but we could get ideas about each if just one person with lots of experience could do a write up on the install, tuning process, and dyno results afterwards. That would be nice.

Originally posted by Mattchew
I'm still holding out to see which to go with. Someone with some serious knowlege should do a write up on each one. Obviously not the same person but we could get ideas about each if just one person with lots of experience could do a write up on the install, tuning process, and dyno results afterwards. That would be nice.

I will in time... ;)

Did you get the crank signal fully decoded and working with the MS? I know it's getting close.

I may switch from the DFI to a MS on my 420A DSM when the ignition can be programmed using the stock crank signal. I thought I heard somewhere that max boost read by the MS map sensor is about 22 PSI. I run upwards of 28 PSI, is there support for this?

Also, I use my DFI for nitrous and fan control. How well can the megasquirt perform these tasks?

To MrSlick and xtrickeclipse. How much $$ did everything come out to and what fuel regulator did you use. I'm also planning on upgrading my fuel system. I was going with the PF but every I'm hearing with the MS, just makes me lean towards that.

Originally posted by er0ckz
To MrSlick and xtrickeclipse. How much $$ did everything come out to and what fuel regulator did you use. I'm also planning on upgrading my fuel system. I was going with the PF but every I'm hearing with the MS, just makes me lean towards that.

Yea, MS is way better then Port Fuler, and it costs less. This is what I paid
1. MS unit: 290$ SHIPPED OVER NIGHT
2. 1:1 Aromotive regulator 130$
3: 2 GM sensors - 30$
4. Tees, Wire, Etc, Etc 10$
I already had 415 cc injectors, so if your going to get injectors ad that to the price


At the end of it all, I paid 460$...Much better then the 850$ I was look at for the PF

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Originally posted by xtrickedeclipsex

Originally posted by er0ckz To MrSlick and xtrickeclipse. How much $$ did everything come out to and what fuel regulator did you use. I'm also planning on upgrading my fuel system. I was going with the PF but every I'm hearing with the MS, just makes me lean towards that.

Yea, MS is way better then Port Fuler, and it costs less. This is what I paid 1. MS unit: 290$ SHIPPED OVER NIGHT 2. 1:1 Aromotive regulator 130$ 3: 2 GM sensors - 30$ 4. Tees, Wire, Etc, Etc 10$ I already had 415 cc injectors, so if your going to get injectors ad that to the price At the end of it all, I paid 460$...Much better then the 850$ I was look at for the PF http://forums.kaptainmyke.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=32830 "Oh yea, well...My manifold does cool twisty things" Http://www.EnhancedMotorSports.com ...

nice. good job man.

I would definitely have gone MS if it was as developed and spelled out to the degree that MrSlick has it at this point.

The tuning abilities with this setup along with the features and price make it a no brainer. I'll definitely go this way with the 240sx once the time comes.

I thin kthat the fabrication that is needed to install 4 more injectors more then offsets the wiring and fabrication of a megasquirt. I built an injector harness in no time flat for my standalone. Shit, most of the harness can be built outside of the car with minimal soldering skills, and then installed. A base map will get you started, and it isn't any harder to tune, really, then an sAFC.

The only question remains: What will YOU do with the extra holes in the manifold? REALLY BIG shot of nitrous? ;)

Well I'm using the 8-Injector setup right now, and I'll be installing my Megasquirt as soon as it arrives and I build it. I'll offer up my opinions once it's in there.

Anyone want to buy my 8 Injector setup? ;)

Originally posted by etx
Well I'm using the 8-Injector setup right now, and I'll be installing my Megasquirt as soon as it arrives and I build it. I'll offer up my opinions once it's in there. Anyone want to buy my 8 Injector setup? ;)

please do. that will help me decide which way to go.

Ive read the site and somewhat undertand how the system works...But Im still confused.

What are the exact parts needed, how does this solve the issue of low fuel pressures at idle with larger injectors....basically... what is the 'step by step' of this setup?

I've read all the posts and the website....maybe I'm just slow...just seems confusing.

Originally posted by Ryan_Hes
Ive read the site and somewhat undertand how the system works...But Im still confused. What are the exact parts needed, how does this solve the issue of low fuel pressures at idle with larger injectors....basically... what is the 'step by step' of this setup? I've read all the posts and the website....maybe I'm just slow...just seems confusing.

Hey Ryan,

Basically you odn't run low fuel pressures!
Because the Megasquir tis fully programmable, you program it so that it knows pretty much what size injectors has. You just tune it to what you have.
I run a static fuel pressure of 43.5psi. That is the normal static pressure for fuel injectors.
And you only need a 1:1 fuel pressure regulator, not any crazy rising rate fpr.

The Megasquirt is connected to the injectors, the stock computer is not. Basically it takes control. To install a Megasquirt on a 2gnt you need the following:

1.) Megasquirt unit
2.) 1:1 FPR - Aeromotive 13109 recommended
3.) GM Coolant Temp Sensor
4.) GM Intake Air Temp sensor
5.) Wire for harness
6.) Misc. plumbing parts
7.) Your size of fuel injectors...

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Lee.

Hey Lee, YGM :)

Lee, YGM :)

You guys have me wanting this REALLY REALLY REALLY bad. Damn you all!!!!


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where can you get all these parts?

Originally posted by er0ckz
where can you get all these parts?

You can buy the Megasquirt from me. The Aeromotive from Summit racing, the Sensors from Autozone, and the misc plumbing parts at lots of diff places.

I think we realy need a VFAQ on this! (one of those Corbin" explain-it-alls)

While it's not that difficult, I can see more and more people going this way.

I'll be extremely interested with the UMS when that comes out, or any other version that will allow me to control timing. We're talking almost limitless boost(~30psi) once we get that controlled (with a boost reference).

Originally posted by JasonESi_T
I think we realy need a VFAQ on this! (one of those Corbin" explain-it-alls) While it's not that difficult, I can see more and more people going this way. I'll be extremely interested with the UMS when that comes out, or any other version that will allow me to control timing. We're talking almost limitless boost(~30psi) once we get that controlled (with a boost reference).

See my other post in this section... ;)
It will tell you what we can do right now! With the standard MS.

How much for a megasquirt? Any kind of warranty? I'm ready to do something NOW. I hate this rising rate crap.


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Originally posted by Eclipse2NR
Any kind of warranty?

You're kidding, right?

Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by Eclipse2NR Any kind of warranty?

You're kidding, right?

Well, I mean a warranty as far as the people building them. If it doesn't work upon arrival, will it be fixed free of charge? Beyond that, I'm fine.


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bye bye thoughts of portfueler...hello MS...ETX is gunna have his hands full helpin my bitch ass :evilgrin

Originally posted by MrSlick

Originally posted by er0ckz where can you get all these parts?

You can buy the Megasquirt from me. The Aeromotive from Summit racing, the Sensors from Autozone, and the misc plumbing parts at lots of diff places.

oh man! you know how much i'm wanting this right now. how much are you charging?

I currently charge $285 inc. standard shipping.

And yes every MS is tested before it ships, so yes I will warranty against any defects upon arrival.

do you think the megasquirt is worth while for small N/A engines like ours?? just curious.

Originally posted by wite96gs
do you think the megasquirt is worth while for small N/A engines like ours?? just curious.

Well while I have no dyno evidence I would say yes.

My car is N/A at the moment while I rebuild the turbo... and it pulls better than it did stock N/A.

Now remember if you had the ignition control as well then you could bump up the advance like on an AFX pcm.... so yes then you'd be sure to get more power...

did i say how much i love ms?
lol :order
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are you using the ford EDIS for your ignition, or are you using the stock ECU for you ignition control??

Originally posted by wite96gs
are you using the ford EDIS for your ignition, or are you using the stock ECU for you ignition control??

Right now the stock PCM is controlling the ignition...

But I'm testing and helping develop code right now that uses the Stock 420A Crank Position Sensor... and so you use the stock sensor, and the stock coilpack... ;) The future is bright!

once that is available as an option, I am most certainly going with the MS set-up. like I've said before, my boss is running that system in his BMW, and I know it is a super sweet set-up

thanks for all the development and info MrSlick :bowdown

I'm still confused. Will it still work with the S-FMU and it would just be overkill?

You won't use a SFMU w/ it, you'll use the aeromotive or any other 1:1 fpr. B/c its a stand alone you'll have total control of the injector duty cycles. Neat stuff.

Originally posted by MR BLUNT 2gnt
You won't use a SFMU w/ it, you'll use the aeromotive or any other 1:1 fpr. B/c its a stand alone you'll have total control of the injector duty cycles. Neat stuff.

Actually one thing that no one has mentioned is that you can even run the MS without a 1:1 regulator... lots of the neon boys do it... but I wouldnt do it that way... you need bigger injectors for the same ammount of boost ;) You can set up the VE table to compensate for no 1:1...

Originally posted by MrSlick
The Megasquirt is connected to the injectors, the stock computer is not. Basically it takes control.

This is another factor to way in on when deciding to go with the Megasquirt vs. the Portfueler. Disabling the stock injector harness would produce an immediate check engine light. The portfueler uses the stock computer to control the stock injectors - no check engine light. Those who are looking to pass inspeciton easier (without removing the light, resetting the code, etc) can pass much easier with a properly working Portfueler (disable turbo actuator and power to the injector controller). All options must be considered before jumping the gun on a fuel system.

--Kurt

Hey MrSlick, I will be PMing you for that MegaSquirt. If you say you sell them, then I'll buy one. I'm the certain parts is just too confusing for me. -=P

Originally posted by KTECLIPSE

Originally posted by MrSlick The Megasquirt is connected to the injectors, the stock computer is not. Basically it takes control.

This is another factor to way in on when deciding to go with the Megasquirt vs. the Portfueler. Disabling the stock injector harness would produce an immediate check engine light. The portfueler uses the stock computer to control the stock injectors - no check engine light. Those who are looking to pass inspeciton easier (without removing the light, resetting the code, etc) can pass much easier with a properly working Portfueler (disable turbo actuator and power to the injector controller). All options must be considered before jumping the gun on a fuel system. --Kurt

Erm...This is true, but a fix takes no more then 5 min...You can plug in the injectors to the harness, and put it sumwhere, or do what I did...just put resistors on the harness…easy 5 min fix


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What size resistors did you use on the harness for the injectors, I made a harness up to plug in but haven't bought resistors yet.

Originally posted by Keith2172
What size resistors did you use on the harness for the injectors, I made a harness up to plug in but haven't bought resistors yet.

I recommend using about 12 Ohms per injector, and you'll want about 50 Watt resistors to be safe... That's about it.

I just have the stock injectors on the stock injector harness tucked away int he engine bay right now. This works perfectly. No CEL's, and no itming retardation because of it :)

Originally posted by MrSlick

Originally posted by Keith2172 What size resistors did you use on the harness for the injectors, I made a harness up to plug in but haven't bought resistors yet.

I recommend using about 12 Ohms per injector, and you'll want about 50 Watt resistors to be safe... That's about it. I just have the stock injectors on the stock injector harness tucked away int he engine bay right now. This works perfectly. No CEL's, and no itming retardation because of it :)

So I guess that means you have to make a new injector harness when using the MS. Where do you get the "clips" for the injectors?



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Originally posted by Eclipse2NR

Originally posted by MrSlick

Originally posted by Keith2172 What size resistors did you use on the harness for the injectors, I made a harness up to plug in but haven't bought resistors yet.

I recommend using about 12 Ohms per injector, and you'll want about 50 Watt resistors to be safe... That's about it. I just have the stock injectors on the stock injector harness tucked away int he engine bay right now. This works perfectly. No CEL's, and no itming retardation because of it :)

So I guess that means you have to make a new injector harness when using the MS. Where do you get the "clips" for the injectors? 1996 Eclipse RS / 5-Speed / Aerogear Body / Coated in Magnetic Red Metallic rev.2 / T3 Turbo Intercooled @ 8 psi / More at http://home.insightbb.com/~eclipse2nr/ Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana

I used an old 2gnt harness... just cut the incoming plug off it... and spliced it in...

Thats what I did to, got one off e-bay for like 15 bucks with fuel rail and injectors. I ended up running a 3 wire connector to the harness, one wire 12volt, one to inj. 1 and 3, and the third to inj. 2 and 4. If this sounds wrong please say so but it sounded good to me :shrug

Originally posted by Keith2172
Thats what I did to, got one off e-bay for like 15 bucks with fuel rail and injectors. I ended up running a 3 wire connector to the harness, one wire 12volt, one to inj. 1 and 3, and the third to inj. 2 and 4. If this sounds wrong please say so but it sounded good to me :shrug

Perfect.