Route 66 Raceway, Joliet, IL, 9-16-03: The HRC RS Eclipse has reset its own record! We recorded an 11.05 @ 130, with a 1.74 60 foot time, and a 7.24 second 1/8 mile @ 106 MPH. The tens are so close now! A street 2GNT in the tens...can't wait!

Over the last week, the RS has run 11.46, 11.24, 11.20 and 11.05, with a handful of other 11's as we have been tuning out this latest iteration of our little red 'Clipse.

In dyno testing last Sunday, we recorded an eye-popping 505 WHP, just shy of our previous 508 WHP record. This number is even more impressive when one considers that our old HP record came with DFI fuel control...the RS currently is no longer DFI equipped (previously, it was considered a Stage V, now it is our new Stage IV configuration)!

What you are witnessing is the long-awaited completion of our Stage III and Stage IV system iterations. We embarked on this program over two years ago, and much experimentation has occured in that time.

Here's the quick rundown on the car's current setup:

Stage IV Hahn RaceCraft turbosystem, exactly the same as a Stage II FMIC equipped system except for following:
Super 20G-H Turbo
New Stage IV Fuel System
Crane Ignition with Boost Proportional Retard
Crower rods
HRC-JE forged pistons, latest design
HRC-NX Pirahna wet port nitrous system, tunable from 100 to 250 HP (We are currently at the 150 HP level.) Available soon!
Howell Performance 55mm throttle body
New HRC-Clutchmasters rebuildable Stage IV clutch with aluminum flywheel (VERY nice combo, available now!)
Quaife limited slip differential
3.55 final drive ratio
Driveshaft Shop Stage V axles
26 x 10 x 15 M/T slicks on Weld wheels

Total weight with driver: 2800 pounds (let's face it, this ain't no lightweight Civic, but at least you can stand to look at it!)

I must also acknowledge the efforts of the entire HRC crew who helped make this a reality! Special thanks go to my son, Adam, who convinced me to get the car back on the track and performed a HUGE amount of work to help make this happen, and my friend / employee Craig Martinelli, whose help and endless enthusiasm for all things racing infected me big time! And a tip of the hat to Frank of The Driveshaft Shop for empowering me to use those big slicks without fear!

Without nitrous, the car ran 12.08 @ 113 on the Stage IV setup, and 12.72 @ 105 on the Stage III. Information and pricing on both Stages will be provided to you as soon as we complete the process of packaging and costing. For those of you awaiting the DFI Gen VII Stage V configuration, hang in there...after the Stage III and IV development is completed, the Gen VII goes on!

Thanks for all the support, you guys rock,
Bill

any word on what the new fuel system is comprised of?

James

The new FICU and related equipment is about to be released...I can elaborate at that time. Take heart, the end is very near, we are almost there!

All I can say is wow. This new fuel setup is really interesting. Thx for the update and congrats :thumbsup

holy shizah!!!!!!!!! i want a 10 sec klipse... :) wanna trade? think of it this way, you'll have a project!

yea we have been waiting patiently on that fuel system

i'll be the first to buy it

edit: CONGRATS ON THE 11!!!!!
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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca

Uberingram> I bow down to the Geo

Congratulations to Bill and the whole HRC crew! You're SO close!

I've been waiting to hear from you regarding this (we're all busy, i know how it goes), as Craig told me you were headed back to the track last night to go at it again. I absolutely CANNOT WAIT to see a time in the 10's for this car!

Congrats to the whole HRC crew, good job!!!!!!!!

Do we have enuf funds in the 2gnt forum piggybank to have a statue of Bill erected in Illinois? :P

Congrats Bill, that's great news! I really appreciate how much development you've been putting into our platform. Sounds like it's really paying off. :thumbsup

one day we'll have a street legal HRC kit to bump us into the 10's

thatd be ultimate sex.
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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca

Uberingram> I bow down to the Geo

Awesome....Congrats HRC! Keep up the good work

Way to go Bill!

The 10's are looming... }(

Once again Bill COngrats! Seeing the car in person is even more impressive than the numbers!



15.9 @ 86.7mph

Smooth idle? We don't need no stinking smooth idle.

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Bill...couple of questions. On the JE pistons what is the "Latest Design"?, why the 3.55 final drive gear and where can we get it?, if we plan on stage IV do we need axles?, Thanks and I can't wait to blow money on this stage IV.

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>why the 3.55 final drive gear and where can
>we get it?

The 3.55 final offers taller gearing over stock to take advantage of more power. The stock gears go by really quickly when you're making that kind of wheel HP. It came in the SOHC Neon. Do a search in the Manual Trans section, it's been covered. I did it and I like it.

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Carry on.. ;-)

Also with the Stage IV....are you using the craptech? If not what Fuel presure regulator are you using?

I'm almost positive he's not using the Cartech. Once again Bill, congrats on your crew's new achievement. Though I've just gotten the sfmu, I am still very intersted in your stage 3 set up vs an E manage, safc or 8 injector set up.

I cant wait to see what this new fuel system consists of. Great job Bill.

Congrats on the progress!!!!!

I am in the market for a new fuel setup and cant wait to see what you have to offer.

HURRY!!!!!!

Jon... have you even tuned the fuel system you have since Ohio? :P



15.9 @ 86.7mph

Smooth idle? We don't need no stinking smooth idle.

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Way to go Bill! That sounds sweet. Man, do I miss my car now. :( Man I can't wait to get back Stateside ... Denmark is fun and all (and has a rather large abundance of hot women) but I need to get back and finish the eclipse. 5 more days here.

BTW, GEN7!!!!!

it is reasons like this as to why i love my car, and will continue on with it no matter how many problems i come across with it. Congrats on those #'s cant wait til its available for me!:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

>I am in the market for a new fuel setup and cant wait to see
>what you have to offer.

yeah, i'm definately in the market too. i've never really wanted to do the 8 injector setup or a standalone, and i'm going to need injectors larger than 415 cc/min pretty soon.

The latest design revision on the HRC /JE pistons is primarily refinement in terms of skirt proportion and piston weight; they are lighter than ever to reduce strain on wrist pin and con rod, and offer less skirt friction. We decided to put these through torture testing on the RS to see how they hold up under extreme stress....so far, so good! If you order them from us, you get the exact same kit in use on the RS.

Any turbo 2gnt will benefit from axle upgrades if slicks are used. The Driveshaft Shop can counsel as to what will work in a particular application. The ones we have are the baddest they make, and not required for anything under 400 HP. By the way...I do have a set of Stage III axles and hubs that used to be in the car, but were removed to upgrade to the Stage V stuff. Anyone interested? I'm looking for $500 for the set...you will also need new front wheel bearings and a press to install them, or send the knuckles to your local automotive machine shop for this. BTW, the hubs also have the long studs, which can be replaced with short studs if your wheel/lugnut combo needs such (the longer studs are used to make the car NHRA legal with thicker lightweight wheels and mag style lug nuts).

hey HRC good job!!! i'm thrilled that our cars can do so runs with that kind of power with that many mods. but question, what boost was that 11.05 sec run under? did you use nitrous on that run? did you P&P the intake manifold or in designing something that gives you more airflow with out the stock one. that right there will put you in the 10s with just that.

Yes, those runs were with the N20 engaged (check the mods list at the top of this thread for more details).

This is with a non-ported head and manifold, stock cams and valves. We intentionally resisted the urge to upgrade those components in order to show the most with the least. However, we do have a couple of highly modded 2.4 engines left over from our Neon drag race program...one may end up in the car during this winter!

wow :thumbsup I want details on the setup ...droool

you know, you could fabricate and sell a 2.4 conversion kit for the 2gnt sell it for like $3000 or something for the block with all of the installed goodies and all of the extra stuff like brackets, oil pan, and a new downpipe and call it a "stage VI" system or something and i bet you'd make a lot of money... if you're going to put it in the RS that would be the perfect platform for a 2GNT 2.4 conversion prototype/testbed.

Congrats on the 11.05!!! Thats just plain AWEsome! Keep it up. It'd be great to post a 10 second pass....but 11 flat aint bad at all. :thumbsup

Thats one HELL of a fast RS!


95 Eclipse RS : 5 speed
15.901 @ 88.34mph
Jeep TB writeup - http://www.dimensia.com:81/jimbo/JeepTBfor2gnt.html

OMG a 1.74 in a FWD, nice

How much Boost???

How do you launch???

Boost is about 22 PSI.

Launching with the CRANE two-step feature, set @ 5200 RPM. We wired it into the windshield washer switch: I just pull the switch back when I'm staging and hit full throttle, releasing the switch when I launch to move the hand to the shifter QUICKLY (first gear is over fast!). Thanks to Sgt. Craig for this idea...try it, it works awesome (just disconnect the washer pump so you don't look silly on the line!).

And the car ran consecutive 1.72's in 60 foot with 100 octane fuel. The 114 octane we are now running to be safe with the N20 took away a little bottom end power, but we are trying some new tricks this weekend to get the 60 foots back down again and just get the car down the track more effectively...

Til now, the entire suspension on the car has been stock with the exception of Eibach front lowering springs. Now that we have so much power in it, the 'chassis jacking' on launch and upshifts has become very severe, it squats so hard we are losing major chassis effectiveness. Observers have told me the back end of the car jumps up and down like a lowrider with hydros at launch and upshifts!

Phil's, Inc., a seller of suspension products in the Chicago area (check them out for great products and pricing on suspension, brakes, etc.), has agreed to hook us up with a complete set of adjustable KYB AGX struts to combat the squat. In addition, we are installing Avenger rear springs (their higher rate will also keep the rear from diving down so hard), and new slicks are going on, as the existing ones are flat wore out from all the fun we've had lately! If we have time, we are also going to limit the movement of the engine / trans on the stock mounts, as it is also jumping around a lot, making shifting difficult and just further upsetting the car.

Hoping that these mods will get the car in the 10's without having to make more power. If it all goes well, I may even put bigger nitrous jets in it for a 200 shot. Yee haaa!

Anyone know where I might find better engine mounts? I've got the AFX front center solid mount, but we need more control. Also need to replace the springy from control arm bushings...any tips?

Weather will be in the 70's here this weekend, no rain predicted...I can't wait!

Spray It!
Bill Hahn Jr.

> In addition, we are installing Avenger rear springs (their
>higher rate will also keep the rear from diving down so hard),


What a novel idea ;-)

As far as suspension bushings go, Energy Suspension makes a "master set" that includes urethane bushings for every single rubber bushing on the car (and some that aren't!). If you've got a press and a weekend, you can go that route, but you'll hate me for suggesting it. I helped install a set once, it's absolutely no fun.

Prothane makes urethane inserts for the front&rear (no need for the front, or the rear if you've already got it stuffed with an insert) but they also make a set of press-in side MM bushings that i imagine are quite nice.

I think that with a solid front MM, the biggest roll issue becomes the rear MM bracket - it tends to have more flex in it than the insert-packed rear mount. I have broken two of them since i've had my car. If you make a better one, i'll take one :thumbsup

hahaha! I think Craig did get that Avenger idea from Dino...props to the Dark One!

I called our local boneyard and they had like 10 cars there to take the springs off of. Seems like a cheap and easy mod; thanks Dino!

It works well too. I'm not sure if i had them on the car when we met in San Antonio (i beleive so), but i can actually pick myself up on the back of my car, and it'll deflect perhaps half an inch from my weight. I also use KYB AGX struts - on the highest setting, they're pretty darn stiff. Speedbumps are brutal.

See above for my edit and suggestions on MM and suspension bushings.

Glad to see my old springs going to good use :thumbsup

So how come youre not running the new 25G turbo? I wonder how fast it will go with the DFI 7, 25G, and a 200 shot. :P Anywayz, congrats!

So, when to we get let in on this "top secret" fuel setup??? :-)

1999 Black C5
1997 Silver RS
Wiseco 8.8:1 Pistons(back to low compression!)
Eagle Rods
T3/T4 Turbo
Custom FMIC
Greddy Exhaust
440's
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.3@90mph 2.015 60'(Nitto Drag radials, i suck)

Even if it is not released, maybe a hint at what the fuel systems limits are. I am looking hard at a DFI Gen 6 as my only option(budget) for my fuel system. I am also shopping for a used Tec 2, but they are still slightly out of my price range.

I would love a setup that was plug and play. 1:1 regulator, high flow 255LPH in tank fuel pump, 660cc or 720cc injector capable and tuned off a FJO wideband(just enter the Air Fuel ratio--vacuum and boost). $1000 shipped(excluding fuel pump).....then I woke up...LOL

Hey I brought up Dino's springs at 66 too :P

Bill, check Bob Kise for a set of new unworn rear springs, with our 2GNT discount they shouldn't be too much.

Also for engine mounts, Prothane makes some pretty stiff mounts for sides, but the fr/rr inserts I don't like. Look at Deyeme Racing http://www.deyemeracing.com They will fill all mounts with solid hard urathane for $25 each, if you send them the mount.



15.9 @ 86.7mph

Smooth idle? We don't need no stinking smooth idle.

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Bill, I can custom build you a solid rear motor mount if you like. I'm already starting to make solid fronts for sale, and will start to work on the rears. Just drop me a line if you wish: eclipsed4evr@comcast.net

Make one, directly attached to a big beefy bracket that has an eyelet that i can run a case bolt through for better flex support. I'll demo it for ya :-)

>Make one, directly attached to a big beefy bracket that has
>an eyelet that i can run a case bolt through for better flex
>support. I'll demo it for ya :-)

lol Can you elaborate just a bit on that?? I guess you are meaning to have a mount plat that the bolts go through, and then by "eyelet" you mean a metal tube that the through bolt goes through to mount to the frame support mount plates? If so,then yeah, thats what i had in mind :)

That's a good design for a motor mount. That's exactly how my rear mount is designed... works great and has held up well. My materials came from McMaster-Carr.

I'll PM you. No sense in hijacking HRC's thread.

demeye racing in the neon world sells 3M windsheild weld filled mounts try that Bill

the tubes like 3 bucks fill the mount with the epoxy and it shouldn't move too much....

Bill

Originally posted by MotoFool
demeye racing in the neon world sells 3M windsheild weld filled mounts try that Bill the tubes like 3 bucks fill the mount with the epoxy and it shouldn't move too much.... Bill

Thanks, all. We did go with the Prothane kit for the car that replaces nearly every bushing BUT the rear motormount...that piece is sold seperately by Prothane, and we got that too. Combined with the AFX solid front mount, the excessive movement we were experiencing has been alleviated.

Now if I could just find a solution for those pesky front lower control arm bushings (the rearmost ones that attach with two bolts) that need to pivot to accomodate the dual balljoints. If no one knows of a solution for those, I may need to fab up something.

Boost It!
Bill