Im sure everbodys seen this thing, i was wondering if anybody is running one and there thoughts on it.Ive already got a Star log style manifold and this one that i won in an ebay.

my420a mani

heres the symtech mani
symtech 420a mani

fixed your link: http://http//cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280368227832&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

nobody but Darkone's gotten the symtech mani, iirc. He hasnt put it on yet though.

If my car isnt sold then I plan on purchasing this manifold. Its about time a company made a manifold besides the log-style.Very nice!

Def.. I just got mine yesterday...Its freaking nice looking..

lol crappy cell phone pic

gorgeous!

I want pics of it installed!

Originally posted by Slo2g
I want pics of it installed!

for reallll

yes installed pics!

and use an nice cam so we can see better...lol

Looks like shit.












J/K--daddy likes.

well my engine is on a stand.. I can take pics of it on the engine on the stand later tonight..

I just want to see the difference in gains between this and log style.

take pics of the inside of the runners and collector to see how thet look

Originally posted by Cyexmaster
take pics of the inside of the runners and collector to see how thet look

ok Ill take a bunch of pics.. didnt have time last night.. I got it on but didnt get a chance to take pics.. Slimline fans will pretty much be needed no matter what this thing is huge.. Also studs is a must theres no way to get a bolt through the bottom right hole Ive tried everything

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98

Originally posted by Cyexmaster take pics of the inside of the runners and collector to see how thet look

ok Ill take a bunch of pics.. didnt have time last night.. I got it on but didnt get a chance to take pics.. Slimline fans will pretty much be needed no matter what this thing is huge.. Also studs is a must theres no way to get a bolt through the bottom right hole Ive tried everything

I thought the purpose of that manifold was to be a direct bolt on like a log manifold (meaning use of stock fans) but just to flow a lot better then a log.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98

Originally posted by Cyexmaster take pics of the inside of the runners and collector to see how thet look

ok Ill take a bunch of pics.. didnt have time last night.. I got it on but didnt get a chance to take pics.. Slimline fans will pretty much be needed no matter what this thing is huge.. Also studs is a must theres no way to get a bolt through the bottom right hole Ive tried everything

I thought the purpose of that manifold was to be a direct bolt on like a log manifold (meaning use of stock fans) but just to flow a lot better then a log.

It could depend on the size of turbo that's being used.

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98

Originally posted by Cyexmaster take pics of the inside of the runners and collector to see how thet look

ok Ill take a bunch of pics.. didnt have time last night.. I got it on but didnt get a chance to take pics.. Slimline fans will pretty much be needed no matter what this thing is huge.. Also studs is a must theres no way to get a bolt through the bottom right hole Ive tried everything

I thought the purpose of that manifold was to be a direct bolt on like a log manifold (meaning use of stock fans) but just to flow a lot better then a log.

It could depend on the size of turbo that's being used.

Arent they only flanged for a mitsu or t3 turbo's?

Im worried about radiator clearance im going to be running a borg gm8 which is huge as most of you know. Im probably going to end up with a custom mani but if the clearance is good with this i might try it out

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98 Slimline fans will pretty much be needed no matter what this thing is huge.. Also studs is a must theres no way to get a bolt through the bottom right hole Ive tried everything.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST I thought the purpose of that manifold was to be a direct bolt on like a log manifold (meaning use of stock fans) but just to flow a lot better then a log.

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G
It could depend on the size of turbo that's being used.

Quoted from the Symtech site:
"Please note that the use of this manifold with large turbochargers may preclude the use of stock cooling fans."

With that being said, i'm not sure it will be an issue. I just measured it and a bare manifold sits roughly 8 inches off the head. It all depends on the turbo and wastegate that are being run. I was surprised at how small the manifold is. It is also heavy. Boosted is right, the second mounting hole on the lower right side will require a stud. Also, it may have to be shorter than the standard ARP kit. Either that or the nut will have to be started before the manifold is secured in place. Some pics:

It sits down so far my oil return line is gonna be at like an angle... Would it matter if I turned the turbo around? Cuz the oil return line should be straight up and down almost right? Also Ill take more pics just ask..

Also turbo is a garret 60 trim

Well my minds made up, that thing is beautiful and it says it outflows tubular manifold, i wonder what they based that on?

Might wanna try it with the compressor on the opposite side. I know everyone likes to run it with the compressor on that side but it looks like they might have engineered its design based on the evo and 4g63 manifolds in its layout. This would put your oil return feed closer to the tap on the oil pan. The only issue i'd see is with the wastegate. The downpipe would still line up fairly even with the exhaust tunnel. You think you could snap a picture of the turbo flipped around for argument sake? :shrug

I have a feeling that if you use this manifold you might have to rethink your oil dump, because with the position its in now it might get melted by the down pipe, even if you strech it to reach the turbo. Thats my biggest reason to ask you to flip the turbo around. Just to see...:thumbsup

might wanna send symtech some feed back on that...

One thing that could be done, hypothetically, you could use a block off plate on the external port and you run an internally wastegated turbo. Then turbo position would be alot easier to play with. IMO

I like it but i think we got some work to do...

id love to see clearance pics w/ a 38mm gate on it and a DP

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98
It sits down so far my oil return line is gonna be at like an angle... Would it matter if I turned the turbo around? Cuz the oil return line should be straight up and down almost right? Also Ill take more pics just ask.. Also turbo is a garret 60 trim

you could rotate the housing so that the return line sits a little higher.

I tried to install the turbo on the other way and it will not bolt up. The hard line coming off the water pump running in front of the block sticks out to far..So Im stuck putting it on the way it is...

About the oil return line. So it will not matter if the return is facing straight down. I can clock the housing at an angle in towards my block? Just along as the hose flows downward the oil will return and not clog or blow my seal?

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98
Just along as the hose flows downward the oil will return and not clog or blow my seal?

Bingo.

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98 Just along as the hose flows downward the oil will return and not clog or blow my seal?

Bingo.

ok.. you think this manifold is gonna turn brown once it gets hott or will it keep its pretty color

seeing as it's cast stainless I bet it'll turn a nice purple

That looks fantastic...I'd love to see a final shot of everything installed!

Originally posted by tec_41
That looks fantastic...I'd love to see a final shot of everything installed!

I wish I could get it done but its not gonna be me... Im not even bringing my car out til May.. Just wanna take my 2gnt down to carlisle to show up some hondas LOL..Its getting worse and worse down there every year...

kUstom manifoiled

I have a Symtech manifold on the way also. When it comes in i will mount it up with the GT35r and snap some pics, Maybe this weekend.

Well i got the manifold on. Everything looks good. Only real problem i have with this Manifold is, There is one bolt just cant get in, even with a stud still a pain in the A** and can not even get the nut tight onto the stud also" nut will round off from rubbing on manifold". I think if someone would to grind on the manifold before install will help out a lot. There is plenty of room for Exhaust. Any ways here are a few pics.

Sharp! What bolt/nut are you referring to that is a PITA? Would it be easier to get to if the motor was on a stand versus in the engine bay?

Also, is that a 2.4 valve cover you are running on a 2.0 head?

That is kickass! Can't wait to hear about what it's like on the street. You have a huge turbo, but I wonder what it would be like with a gt2860rs *drool*

It was pretty easy with motor in the car, Might help a little if on a stand. It is a 2.0 head with a 2.4 valve cover. Also the radiator is from a auto trans, With a MTX will have more room between turbo and radiator. Extra 1/2 inch or so. Here is a pic of the pain in the A** bolt. Boosted talon had a good pic to use.

As far as that hard to tighten nut, what wrench size are you using? I know typical nuts on an 8mm stud run around 13mm wrench size. ARP nuts however are fairly low profile and use a 10mm socket/wrench.

I know McMaster sells some smaller head nuts and such. Maybe give some thing like that a try?

The nut size i am using is a 1/2in. A 10mm would work perfect.

Stock nuts are a thin wall 10mm washered head. Maybe one of thos would work?

Holy Crap... Man that thing looks amazing... 2gnt guys are doing big things these days.. to bad they didnt have an awd version HA HA HA.. ur gonna need awd with that damn 35r...

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98
to bad they didnt have an awd version HA HA HA.. ur gonna need awd with that damn 35r...

Not to threadjack, but from what dsm-zero(fellow 2gnt member & WR holder for hp on a turbo 420a) has stated their is a way to do an awd conversion to our 2gnt's. All that is needed is an adapter plate, Evo tranny and gsx rear subframe. Is this true? I have no idea. I'm not that mechanically inclined, but interesting at least.

Oh, and the manifold looks good guys. Hope they work out for the best. Let us know how they perform.

Originally posted by BoostedEclipse

Originally posted by Boosted_Talon98 to bad they didnt have an awd version HA HA HA.. ur gonna need awd with that damn 35r...

Not to threadjack, but from what dsm-zero(fellow 2gnt member & WR holder for hp on a turbo 420a) has stated their is a way to do an awd conversion to our 2gnt's. All that is needed is an adapter plate, Evo tranny and gsx rear subframe. Is this true? I have no idea. I'm not that mechanically inclined, but interesting at least. Oh, and the manifold looks good guys. Hope they work out for the best. Let us know how they perform.

Yes, but by the time you've bought the parts and done all the work you could have bought 2 runing GSXs.

Originally posted by BoostedEclipse
their is a way to do an awd conversion

There are many ways to do many things. I've already seen our platform with an AWD set-up (basically a 4g63 AWD swap). There is another individual on here who has just a little final completion on an AWD set-up (if its not done already).

Point being that anything can be done. But things like this will take dedication by the builder, and a willingness to find the right answer when there is no current answer, lol.

Very true. I didn't even stop to think of how much money that conversion would be, lol. It's something I doubt I would ever decide to do. But, I'm glad to know that 2gnt owners are experimenting with the idea and are actually in the conversion process.

sorry, it's a little too close to everything for me (lower hardpipe, close to radiator, etc.)

plus you have to go to a pusher setup, and that's the same size turbo i have. pass.

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
sorry, it's a little too close to everything for me (lower hardpipe, close to radiator, etc.) plus you have to go to a pusher setup, and that's the same size turbo i have. pass.

Whaaaaaaaat? Pass on the RACE manifold? You dont want a race car???

Nothing wrong with personal preference. Its a great budget manifold or at least appears to be.

With any custom manifold and midframe turbo you looking at pusher setup anyway.

Terry

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Its a great budget manifold

Fixed. Because it's more than that, it's an off-the-shelf item with a great design.

Originally posted by ez

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon Its a great budget manifold

Fixed. Because it's more than that, it's an off-the-shelf item with a great design.

Design looks okay but this community of guys turbo'ing these days still need a nice manifold that will fit a decent sized say t3 turbo that can still use the stock fans location.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST Design looks okay but this community of guys turbo'ing these days still need a nice manifold that will fit a decent sized say t3 turbo that can still use the stock fans location.

Good engineering often involves compromises. If our 420A Race Manifold allowed enough room for the stock fans, then there wouldn't have been room for the power steering and air conditioning systems. We felt it's easier to move the fans than these accessories.

Our partner, Treadstone Performance Engineering, does sell a T3-flanged manifold that positions the turbocharger so the stock fans can be used. Their manifold is a "log style" manifold. Our manifold was designed with the more serious performance enthusiast in mind. Casual enthusiasts will be content with "log style" manifolds, all others will realize that relocating their stock fans is just a small inconvenience.

Originally posted by SymTech Labs
If our 420A Race Manifold allowed enough room for the stock fans, then there wouldn't have been room for the power steering and air conditioning systems. We felt it's easier to move the fans than these accessories...all others will realize that relocating their stock fans is just a small inconvenience.

The above statements make it sound like you KNEW that the stock fans would have to be removed? If that is the case, then why does your website have the following disclaimer:

"Please note that the use of this manifold with large turbochargers may preclude the use of stock cooling fans."

I bought this manifold believing that my use of slim fans, as well as a turbo that I wouldn't classify as "large", would keep me in the clear of fitment issues. However, after looking at the above pics, I believe that my setup may not work without a pusher setup. I really think you should re-word that disclaimer from the product page. It is misleading.

Originally posted by DirtMegirt
The above statements make it sound like you KNEW that the stock fans would have to be removed? If that is the case, then why does your website have the following disclaimer: "Please note that the use of this manifold with large turbochargers may preclude the use of stock cooling fans." I bought this manifold believing that my use of slim fans, as well as a turbo that I wouldn't classify as "large", would keep me in the clear of fitment issues. However, after looking at the above pics, I believe that my setup may not work without a pusher setup. I really think you should re-word that disclaimer from the product page. It is misleading.

Hello,

Please feel free to contact us directly at help@symtechlabs.com to discuss your questions, suggestions, compliments, or complaints regarding the 420A Race Manifold's product page.

Originally posted by SymTech Labs

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST Design looks okay but this community of guys turbo'ing these days still need a nice manifold that will fit a decent sized say t3 turbo that can still use the stock fans location.

Good engineering often involves compromises. If our 420A Race Manifold allowed enough room for the stock fans, then there wouldn't have been room for the power steering and air conditioning systems. We felt it's easier to move the fans than these accessories. Our partner, Treadstone Performance Engineering, does sell a T3-flanged manifold that positions the turbocharger so the stock fans can be used. Their manifold is a "log style" manifold. Our manifold was designed with the more serious performance enthusiast in mind. Casual enthusiasts will be content with "log style" manifolds, all others will realize that relocating their stock fans is just a small inconvenience.

Not trying to step on your toes, but since your companies manifold is for the more 'serious performance enthusiast,' where is your dyno sheet to prove the power gains between your manifold and the normal log style manifold? Since it is a 'race' manifold and all, do you have power gains to prove on paper?

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
Not trying to step on your toes, but since your companies manifold is for the more 'serious performance enthusiast,' where is your dyno sheet to prove the power gains between your manifold and the normal log style manifold? Since it is a 'race' manifold and all, do you have power gains to prove on paper?

Hello,

Please feel free to contact us directly at help@symtechlabs.com to discuss your questions regarding unpublished data about the 420A Race Manifold.

Originally posted by SymTech Labs

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST Not trying to step on your toes, but since your companies manifold is for the more 'serious performance enthusiast,' where is your dyno sheet to prove the power gains between your manifold and the normal log style manifold? Since it is a 'race' manifold and all, do you have power gains to prove on paper?

Hello, Please feel free to contact us directly at help@symtechlabs.com to discuss your questions regarding unpublished data about the 420A Race Manifold.

So the data does exist?

Curious as to why it isnt published if so...

The manifold turns into a real pretty bronze color after a few runs..

Originally posted by teklein
So the data does exist? Curious as to why it isnt published if so...

Designing cast manifolds is unlike designing welded manifolds. There are few opportunities for making adjustments to the design. Rather than creating a prototype, testing in-car, making adjustments and repeating, we rely heavily on computer simulations before sending our models to the foundry for casting. Our comprehensive CFD analysis yields sets of data that would be relatively meaningless to the average consumer. Qualitatively, however, the data tell us that our design is superior to its "log-style" counterpart.

For what it's worth, numerous customers have contacted us with their success stories.

.

Anything flows better than a log manifold!

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Anything flows better than a log manifold!

I am not saying it does or doesnt. I have no experience with it personally, and extremely doubt I will. On a side note of that, I do have a lot of locals that I work with that are always in the market of nice products.

If your company is classifying this manifold as such as a 'race' manifold, I think you should post results on paper to this community. I am sure you get about half your business from members of this to buy your products, so why not show them the proof of gains from the RACE manifold? I am not attacking your company or anything of any sort. It appears to be a decent product besides the problem the guys have with the one mounting hold on the bottom portion of the manifold, and some guys seem to have thought it would work with factory fans, and IICR, before production of these, I thought in another thread you said they would work with all factory fans/radiator.

Dood why are you so hung up on the term RACE. You bring this up everytime. Does it matter what it's called? Do you feel mislead if you install it and your car doesn't turn into a RACECAR and your daily commute fails to turn into a RACETRACK and you don't get any RACING sponsor decals and your gf doesn't become a RACE model with checkered-flag panties?

It's a nice mani, wait until people post up with their experiences on it.

Originally posted by ez
Dood why are you so hung up on the term RACE. You bring this up everytime. Does it matter what it's called? Do you feel mislead if you install it and your car doesn't turn into a RACECAR and your daily commute fails to turn into a RACETRACK and you don't get any RACING sponsor decals and your gf doesn't become a RACE model with checkered-flag panties? It's a nice mani, wait until people post up with their experiences on it.

LMAO.

I dont like how its called a RACE manifold since it was only called that for a selling point, like ebay items are. All I am asking is to see sheets of gains for the damn thing.

I'M WITH YOU MIKE!!! FUCK THIS!!!!!! LMAOO

Mike,

You are unlikely to get satisfaction on this. Enough dyno time to get conclusive, quantitative data on two different manifolds is a significant expense that may never yield an appreciable return. Sale of the product does not require this data. Until the cost to benefit ratio is more favorable, you are unlikely to see anything from the manufacturer or seller.

Personally, I am satisfied that a seller took enough interest in us to design and produce a product that brings something new to the market and seems to have some thought behind it. In time, we will see the positives and negatives of the design. Someone with a dyno hook-up might even spur some comparative testing.

Corbin
'95 ESI-T

Now with more power and fewer leaks



Humble servant of the Wiki

Originally posted by Corbin
Mike, You are unlikely to get satisfaction on this. Enough dyno time to get conclusive, quantitative data on two different manifolds is a significant expense that may never yield an appreciable return. Sale of the product does not require this data. Until the cost to benefit ratio is more favorable, you are unlikely to see anything from the manufacturer or seller. Personally, I am satisfied that a seller took enough interest in us to design and produce a product that brings something new to the market and seems to have some thought behind it. In time, we will see the positives and negatives of the design. Someone with a dyno hook-up might even spur some comparative testing. Corbin '95 ESI-T Now with more power and fewer leaks Humble servant of the Wiki

Yes you are probably correct here.

EDIT: Nevermind.

Do anyone have dyno vids or idle video of this in action.

Originally posted by dalesmitsu
Do anyone have dyno vids or idle video of this in action.

What the fuck would you want to see an idle video for? Does this manifold give you extra HP at idle?

I just would like to hear it, damn.

Oh wait yes it does an extra 10-20 hp at idle and 2-5hp while in use. :7 :P

Dude you are way to hung up on the race thing its marketing. I dont know what would qualify it as a "race manifold" other than the fact that actual r&d was involved, instead of someone welding together random pieces of stainless and creating something that looks like it should have a hot water heater attached to it.

Originally posted by dalesmitsu
I just would like to hear it, damn. Oh wait yes it does an extra 10-20 hp at idle and 2-5hp while in use. :7 :P

Fuck yeah man.. I bought a damn honda and sinking some money into that.. Im regretting it lol I could of had my damn 2g running with this mani on my .60.. oh well... Im still waiting on this god damn fucking megasquirt? Are we gonna have to fucking change our fans to run that with a large version wires too?(LOL) or what lies will be behind that thing