So I got my VR-4. Had it for a month, that car is FAST! But then again they are expensive to modify and heavy as all hell and can't break into the 9s for shit, considering the Twin Turbo set-up.

No one wants my GS-T or has the money for it. ($2500!!!)I was considering putting it in storage and then when the spring time comes, modding the ever living crap out of it, maybe a good EVO 3 set-up, BPU's and some other stuff.

As for the VR-4, I'm working on getting a good sound system together, and not touching the engine. Boost controller, cat-back exhaust, thats what, 350-375HP crank? I'm happy with that!

Call me crazy, but that red GSX i posted about, came to my work. I detailed her and worked on her all week. Ended up being sold today for $4,000! 54K on a '97 GSX 5-speed mechanically MINT for $4,000! WTF?!?!? and yes, sold to a girl, who has no idea how to drive, but just liked the sweet look of an Eclipse... WTF?!? I had to vent, sorry!

So, is it cool if I mod the crap out of my GS-T and keep 2 turbo cars? I can afford the insurance, the VR-4 payments, and the mods for BOTH cars! Would modding my Eclipse get me to sell it easier? Bah, I need some input, thanks guys, Nick

So what was the question? :shrug

I can tell you right now I would never buy a car with any aftermarket parts on it unless I personanly knew the driver. A car with performance parts has most likley been run pretty hard, why else would they be on there. From a finacial standpoint you could dump another 2500$ in performance parts into it and it still would'nt be worth anymore. If you want to sell it, sell it stock if you still have your old parts and sell the performance stuff, you will never get as much out of a car as you put into it.

Originally posted by NHH223
Would modding my Eclipse get me to sell it easier? Bah, I need some input, thanks guys, Nick

No, not really. Mods just mean you have to take a loss in money when selling it really.

i'm kicking myself for not saving my GST stock exhaust. I don't think i'll un-do the 16g mod, though, but its not going to really help me much in selling my eclipse...

Originally posted by NHH223
Boost controller, cat-back exhaust, thats what, 350-375HP crank?

Isnt that a little high?? I could be wrong

Originally posted by normajean

Originally posted by NHH223 Boost controller, cat-back exhaust, thats what, 350-375HP crank?

Isnt that a little high??

Just a tad.

Stock is 300HP on 9psi of boost, Dynamic Racing rates their stage 1 upgrade, an intake and boost controller set to 15psi at about 365HP. I have 3" cat-back and a boost controller set to 15psi... so I've figured I'm around there somewhere. Maybe I have only 301HP @ crank, but either way my VR-4 fucking romps!

Or did you guys think I was talking about my GS-T?!?

I just need to get rid of my GS-T. The mods are intake, racing clutch/flywheel and a-pillar with gauges and 2 pioneer 6x9s in the back. Thats it, no exhuast, no boost controller, nothing spiffy or anything of the sorts... isn't $2500 cheap for a GS-T? Or are 2Gs now wicked cheap, cuz when I ebay'ed GS-T/Xs a year ago, people were selling 95s with the same mileage for over $4,000... and yes, they were modded too...

Originally posted by NHH223
Stock is 300HP on 9psi of boost, Dynamic Racing rates their stage 1 upgrade, an intake and boost controller set to 15psi at about 365HP. I have 3" cat-back and a boost controller set to 15psi... so I've figured I'm around there somewhere. Maybe I have only 301HP @ crank, but either way my VR-4 fucking romps! Or did you guys think I was talking about my GS-T?!? I just need to get rid of my GS-T. The mods are intake, racing clutch/flywheel and a-pillar with gauges and 2 pioneer 6x9s in the back. Thats it, no exhuast, no boost controller, nothing spiffy or anything of the sorts... isn't $2500 cheap for a GS-T? Or are 2Gs now wicked cheap, cuz when I ebay'ed GS-T/Xs a year ago, people were selling 95s with the same mileage for over $4,000... and yes, they were modded too...

Whats wrong with it and where are you loacated?

I think, from my personal experiance of knowing you, that you should def. not sell serena to just any person. But you shouldnt get rid of the VR4 either. Do what you said. Mod the GST in the spring, do it up big "ricer style" and make it faster then fast, but i think that you should use the VR4 for more of a show. hot system, fast, but not modded, sick interior.. chyeah know??

just my opinion.

or you could hold the GST until i get enough money, teach me standard and then sell it to me.. cuz i love it :)

-samm

Originally posted by NHH223
But then again they are expensive to modify and heavy as all hell and can't break into the 9s for shit, considering the Twin Turbo set-up.

I believe a few of us already told you that before you bought the car.
Obviously, you can't stand your Eclipse but are still a Mitsu fan. You can afford both cars and modify them. I'd say sell both of them, get an EVO, and be done with it.
BTW, stock crank horsepower on 3/S VR4s is 320hp with torque at 315.

Originally posted by DSMxTSi
I'd say sell both of them, get an EVO, and be done with it.

What he says ^

Originally posted by DSMxTSi
BTW, stock crank horsepower on 3/S VR4s is 320hp with torque at 315.

I think the earlier 3/s were rated at 300 and the later models at 320, I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by 97eclipse97

Originally posted by DSMxTSi I'd say sell both of them, get an EVO, and be done with it.

i totally agree with this kid nick.. get an evo. or better.. sell both, sell everything you own, go win the lotto and buy a skyline :D

I really don't care what you do. Just stop making posts about your gs-t.

Yea, I'll stop posting about my GS-T when I no longer own the damn thing. I'm already on 3si.org and getting ready to say good-bye to you guys...

-Nick

Originally posted by ScreaminE
I really don't care what you do. Just stop making posts about your gs-t.

Took the words out of my mouth. Should give him the 2gnt 2005 most confused award lol

j/k

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Funny, but neither am I kid and VR4s are not rare. Rare would be a GT3 or Carrera GT, a Saleen S7, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like VR4s but wouldn't have one to modify and definately wouldn't try to get one in the 9s. THAT'S a waste of time. It takes a lot more than just shaving weight to get a normal car in the 9s. Nine second cars are very very few that you see on the road. Almost anyone that has that amount of time and money in anything that runs 9s will hardly ever drive it on the road, and if they do they will not waste gas on anything that tries to mess with them unless it's a rare exotic like I stated earlier.

91-93 had a wastegate or boost solenoid or some electronic crap that was uncontrolled by the driver set to 9psi, the extra 20HP in the 94-99s was from a 2psi increase i think...

an EVO would be a waste of time. Yeah I like Mitsu, but its a new car, with a 4cyl! I like my TQ and HP, I don't care how fat my car is, just means I need to be a better driver and figure out how to drop some weight off the car. A VR-4 is sweet to me, becuz its RARE! What you're saying is basically sell your RX-7 Twin Turbo for a brand new RX-8 cuz its a Mazda car.

Breaking into the 9s, when I really think about it, if I got into the 11s with my car, and someone smoked me in a street race, they can get my respect. I doubt if my VR-4 ran 10.5 in the 1/4 that a 9sec Supra would pull along side my car at a dead stop and try and race me. That just doesnt happen around here, nor are the kinda cars around, and think of the odds...

But anyways, GS-T is still up for sale for $2500. I have an interested buyer who is a friend of mine, but he doesn't care if I let her go to someone else. Yeah, I live in Massachusetts, a town next to Acton and Westford.

Another thing on VR-4s, yeah, you guys may have told me that it wasn't the best buy out there. But rarity, looks, features, engine size, twin turbos, AWD, it got me on the HOOK! My mother also always dreamed of owning/driving a VR-4, thats why she co-signed the loan for the car, and yes, she's about 4'11", 100% Japanese, in her 40s and steals my car every weekend day that I am hungover and too messed up to drive it, hahah!

Originally posted by NHH223an EVO would be a waste of time. Yeah I like Mitsu, but its a new car, with a 4cyl!

Sorry but this has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have heard for awhile...

I really don't want to go into how many things are wrong with this statement, but let's just say I lost some respect for you.

i dont know why people continue to respond to these threads.

Originally posted by BMPDirk
i dont know why people continue to respond to these threads.

x2

this is way to reminiscent of 9d9 and all his bullshit

Originally posted by 97eclipse97

Originally posted by NHH223an EVO would be a waste of time. Yeah I like Mitsu, but its a new car, with a 4cyl!

Sorry but this has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have heard for awhile... I really don't want to go into how many things are wrong with this statement, but let's just say I lost some respect for you.

I even have a VR4 and I can admit EVO's are better cars. They weight less and handle WAY better but they are pretty even in the 1/4 from low rolls. The VR4 has a better gear ratio. I think the VR4 looks better then an EVO though :-)
-David

well what i think is who gives a damn. that cars practically sold.. thank you samm :) cuz i got it sold for you. And its also a wikked sweet ride, rare around here because not many people own them, and it could kick a few asses, even on here!
-Samm

Originally posted by DSMxCutie
well what i think is who gives a damn. that cars practically sold.. thank you samm :) cuz i got it sold for you. And its also a wikked sweet ride, rare around here because not many people own them, and it could kick a few asses, even on here! -Samm

You are officially not allowed to speak on here...ever again

If you were in Florida I would buy the GST tomorrow though But BA is too far for just a GST}(

Originally posted by DSMxCutie
rare around here because not many people own them

At least that part is the the truth! Most of the NewEngDSMer's own 1G AWD's.
And, ummm, fast? Go to NED on a club night. Hunny, you don't have any idea about fast... ;)

Originally posted by eclipzGST

Originally posted by DSMxCutie rare around here because not many people own them

At least that part is the the truth! Most of the NewEngDSMer's own 1G AWD's. And, ummm, fast? Go to NED on a club night. Hunny, you don't have any idea about fast... ;)

I had no problem finding two 2g AWD's :shrug

Originally posted by 97eclipse97

Originally posted by eclipzGST

Originally posted by DSMxCutie rare around here because not many people own them

At least that part is the the truth! Most of the NewEngDSMer's own 1G AWD's. And, ummm, fast? Go to NED on a club night. Hunny, you don't have any idea about fast... ;)

I had no problem finding two 2g AWD's :shrug

Maybe it's just the 2G FWD's that are rare. :shrug

Originally posted by eclipzGST
Maybe it's just the 2G FWD's that are rare. :shrug

Well I will say that it is probably one of the only (if not the only) copper GS-T in MA...(I've only ever seen one other copper eclipse, and it was a GS)

So there's your rarety factor!

Here's #3............(ghetto I know, but cut me some slack, it's custom)

Originally posted by RST95eclipse
Here's #3............(ghetto I know, but cut me some slack, it's custom)

But, you're not from Massachusetts. ;)
I've seen a few. At least 5. I know one of them belonged to a former board member and was probably one of the most sorry looking 2G's I have ever seen. It was stored in RI but owner was fom MA. Todd and Bill can attest to it's fuckedupness. :(

I told you this before. You dont take out a loan to buy a car that is 15 years old. Do one project at a time, unless you have the cash already. ANYWAYS, although I love the 4G63 and it has way more potential then the 6G72 in the long run, the 6G72 has such a nice ammount of power from the factory. There aren't to many clean VR4s around and although I think about getting an EVO all the time (cause it's a better car for the $), I see 20 EVO's for every 1 VR4 I see.
I think 2G VR4's are one of the best looking cars for it's time (same price range). The reason no one is in the 9's is because it's a lot easier to do in a Supra, Skyline or RX-7 and people haven't put the time an effort that people put into Supra's. In Japan a VR4 has the top speed record for it's class. Ray's car will be in the 9's shortly and is putting down 800AWHP!! Mike, at AAM, had the record for years on his 20G's (which are 2 big for his setup) and now 3 people have broken his record in 2005 alone. W/ Ray's stroker kit or the Montero 3.5L swap (or both :-) ), the potential for our cars will change a lot. They are still heavy, expensive to maintain and a pain to work on but they are such awesome cars. END OF RANT. BTW, since when are you so worried about running 9's?
-David

Originally posted by Dualgen2
I told you this before. You dont take out a loan to buy a car that is 15 years old. Do one project at a time, unless you have the cash already. ANYWAYS, although I love the 4G63 and it has way more potential then the 6G72 in the long run, the 6G72 has such a nice ammount of power from the factory. There aren't to many clean VR4s around and although I think about getting an EVO all the time (cause it's a better car for the $), I see 20 EVO's for every 1 VR4 I see. I think 2G VR4's are one of the best looking cars for it's time (same price range). The reason no one is in the 9's is because it's a lot easier to do in a Supra, Skyline or RX-7 and people haven't put the time an effort that people put into Supra's. In Japan a VR4 has the top speed record for it's class. Ray's car will be in the 9's shortly and is putting down 800AWHP!! Mike, at AAM, had the record for years on his 20G's (which are 2 big for his setup) and now 3 people have broken his record in 2005 alone. W/ Ray's stroker kit or the Montero 3.5L swap (or both :-) ), the potential for our cars will change a lot. They are still heavy, expensive to maintain and a pain to work on but they are such awesome cars. END OF RANT. BTW, since when are you so worried about running 9's? -David

Wow, you must really want someone to reply. I guess I've got nothing better to do.
You are absolutely correct with everything you said. However, roughly 9 out of 10 people are on a tight budget and 3000GT VR4s are definately not the way to go for those people. Those that you mentioned above have tons of money and time wrapped up in them that most people simply can't afford. Nick was also over-stressing the RARE issue with VR4s and they just aren't that rare. I would love to have a black 1G Stealth RT as they are my favorite, but it isn't in the cards right now. If I ever have one, all I'd do would add K/Ns, larger exhaust, and a mbc, plus some suspension and wheel/tire mods.

Originally posted by DSMxTSi Wow, you must really want someone to reply. I guess I've got nothing better to do.

Not really. The reply is mostly for NHH to see, since I helped him when he was deciding whether or not to get the VR4 in the first place. I told him not to get a 15 year old car that you have to take a loan out on. Even if you have the $ for any used car, you need to have back up cash for an "o sh*t" fund. It's the same for modding IMO. If you have a 2gnt and you want a $2000 turbo kit you better have extra cash after the purchase in case something happens. Just my 2 cents since I have had these things happen to me. My transmission went the first weekend I owned the VR4 and my motor blew a couple months after I turbo'ed the 2gnt. Bad luck but I was financially ready for both cases cause I knew I was buying a 11 year old car, and in the case of the 2gnt, turboing an NA car.
-David

Originally posted by NHH223
Ended up being sold today for $4,000! 54K on a '97 GSX 5-speed mechanically MINT for $4,000!

Damn 2G's are getting so cheap. Makes me wanna pick one up for shits and giggles.
-David

VR-4 = AWD better