why is it that when news is released to the public, the company that releases the news never follow through with thier projected dates?

where is the race manifold
where is the PnP MS
where is symtech

Call the provided number and you get a voicemail with a girl that trys to sound as professional as she can. Probably the guy's GF that created the site, but thats just speculation. After the msg, a cell phone voicemail comes on for you to "leave a msg or press 1 for more options" type of sprint VM...

The "corporate" address looks like an apartment with the "#" beside the Rd. address...

frustrating ventilation currently taking place....

This should be interesting...

Grabs the brew.

Lol, I got a six-pac on this one.

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
blah blah blah

So what exactly did they do to you? missing a release date and starting up a small business is no crime... :shrug

missing a release date by over a year i guess is normal, when compared to CI.

i'm just a consumer looking for answers

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
missing a release date by over a year i guess is normal, when compared to CI. i'm just a consumer looking for answers

Check out the thread on tuners, the PnP MS has been passed around so many times to be tested for various reasons. It will be out just not yet. As for where is symtech, Paul is on both here and tuners quite a bit. Try PM'ing him. Maybe he'll respond to this thread.

I talk to Paul all the time on AIM...he is around.

maybe an official position statement from him to us consumers on this business would be in order.
The statement would benefit not only 2gnt, but tuners and other sites will migrate to this answer.
I'm not bitching, just looking for answers. Someone tell him about this thread.

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
Someone tell him about this thread.

Ok, HEY PAUL!!!!!

It is still beyond why no one will test the one that exists.

People keep buying it and are nowhere near ready to use it for one reason or another. If you buy, plug the damn thing in.

Just my .02.

i'll buy it, tweak it, replicate it, profit from it if nobody else will

Mmmmm....missed the release date of a MegaSquirt by over a year huh? It seems like a determined person, even if they had questionable intelligence, could somehow manage to learn how to build, install, and tune their own in one years time.

Wah! I'm sad about stuff! Wah!

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
maybe an official position statement from him to us consumers on this business would be in order. The statement would benefit not only 2gnt, but tuners and other sites will migrate to this answer. I'm not bitching, just looking for answers. Someone tell him about this thread.

How about you STFU and get over it? No one owes you anything, not even an explanation. If you want a megasquirt, buy one and install it.

i'm sorry you're right. lock this thread

Thus ends my six pack. :-)

wow,http://www.symtechlabs.com/news/Race_Manifold2.pdf

:beer

-Christopher

saw that. eight weeks. i don't think so. They can't fulfill their projected dates. don't wait on it.

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
saw that. eight weeks. i don't think so. They can't fulfill their projected dates. don't wait on it.

I'm just curious... How big IS that stick up your ass?

huge. come pull it out fucker

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
huge. come pull it out fucker

REally not into GOATSE at all, but thanks.

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
huge. come pull it out fucker

LMAO, You tell him Mikey!

http://www.symtechlabs.com/catalog/420a-race-manifold-p-62.html

impressed. very. questionable wastegate clearance though, maybe (hopefully), paul will chime in and address concerns... excellent job btw :)

Looks like an SR20 cast manifold with a 420a flange. Interesting.

I'd think that there would be plenty of clearance with low profile fans.

What would be REALLY nice, other than that stick falling out of dip-shits ass, would be if these guys in all their fabulous fabrication would add in a few little raised sections which a simple sheet metal heat shield could attach to. Wouldn't that be nice not having to buy $100 worth of heat wrap to try and cover the manifold?... Just my 0.02.
Don't get me wrong, I wish I had the enginuity and tools to do this stuff myself, and applaud anyone who does. I would just like the simple things not be left out. Fair?

Fitment is a bit tight as the manifold is of pretty good size, but it does fit just fine... Paul brought over his mockup a while back since I had my manifold and such already off, and can attest that it fits well.

- J

how much $$ is that mani

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
how much $$ is that mani

Click here (http://www.symtechlabs.com/catalog/420a-race-manifold-p-62.html) and find out :P

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO how much $$ is that mani

Click here (http://www.symtechlabs.com/catalog/420a-race-manifold-p-62.html) and find out :P

site says it became available Wednesday,June 24

Originally posted by dalesmitsu

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO how much $$ is that mani

Click here (http://www.symtechlabs.com/catalog/420a-race-manifold-p-62.html) and find out :P

site says it became available Wednesday,June 24

I know someone who bought one. He says it is nice.

Originally posted by freelancefool

Originally posted by dalesmitsu

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO how much $$ is that mani

Click here (http://www.symtechlabs.com/catalog/420a-race-manifold-p-62.html) and find out :P

site says it became available Wednesday,June 24

I know someone who bought one. He says it is nice.

if he's local to you, see if you can handle this thing in person and see it installed in person. see if you can get him to put pics of it on here to share other than the one pic that is on symtech's site.

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC

Originally posted by freelancefool

Originally posted by dalesmitsu

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO how much $$ is that mani

Click here (http://www.symtechlabs.com/catalog/420a-race-manifold-p-62.html) and find out :P

site says it became available Wednesday,June 24

I know someone who bought one. He says it is nice.

if he's local to you, see if you can handle this thing in person and see it installed in person. see if you can get him to put pics of it on here to share other than the one pic that is on symtech's site.

+2

Also, can you post up a video with it installed I'm curious about it also

Not local and I can't get pics.

Paul,

When you test fit this mani, was it with studs? That second hole to the left looks kinda tight. With the way the other mani to head holes are notched, it looks close. Does that runner slope away from the mounting hole?

courtesy of symtech's site. more pictures.





i SOOO wannna see pics of this installed on a 2g, and wanna know if dirt is correct on bolt fitment. He has a point. The star manifold is a tight fit w/ stock bolts, just to throw that out there.

Originally posted by DirtMegirt
Paul, When you test fit this mani, was it with studs? That second hole to the left looks kinda tight. With the way the other mani to head holes are notched, it looks close. Does that runner slope away from the mounting hole?

I'm surprised he's not responded yet, he's pretty active on the boards... when he test fit the mockup on my car (i.e. not the finished product), I still had my studs in and it went right on no problem. I'm no expert in fabrications or castings, but the mockup was some type of shaved styrofoam that the final mold was to be created from, so I would expect it to be representative albeit not the finished product (my lil disclaimer).

- J

Originally posted by J

Originally posted by DirtMegirt Paul, When you test fit this mani, was it with studs? That second hole to the left looks kinda tight. With the way the other mani to head holes are notched, it looks close. Does that runner slope away from the mounting hole?

I'm surprised he's not responded yet, he's pretty active on the boards... when he test fit the mockup on my car (i.e. not the finished product), I still had my studs in and it went right on no problem. I'm no expert in fabrications or castings, but the mockup was some type of shaved styrofoam that the final mold was to be created from, so I would expect it to be representative albeit not the finished product (my lil disclaimer). - J

Good call :thumbsup two holes on the right look bigger than the left.

Would I be able to enlarge some with bit or would this hurt it.

This is clean, why are the ones from Hahn look rusted,beat up and not shiny new like this.

what ever happened to the plug and play ECU???

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
what ever happened to the plug and play ECU???

for some reason, people dont like to talk about it. that is the number one product i've been waiting for. I'm not the only one. no news on it for at least the past YEAR

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO what ever happened to the plug and play ECU???

for some reason, people dont like to talk about it. that is the number one product i've been waiting for. I'm not the only one. no news on it for at least the past YEAR

Maybe you should read your own thread.

Originally posted by cs82685

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC missing a release date by over a year i guess is normal, when compared to CI. i'm just a consumer looking for answers

Check out the thread on tuners, the PnP MS has been passed around so many times to be tested for various reasons. It will be out just not yet. As for where is symtech, Paul is on both here and tuners quite a bit. Try PM'ing him. Maybe he'll respond to this thread.

Originally posted by teklein
It is still beyond why no one will test the one that exists. People keep buying it and are nowhere near ready to use it for one reason or another. If you buy, plug the damn thing in. Just my .02.

It says right there that people have purchased it and never tried it because they haven't been ready for it.

EDIT:I'm done in this thread. If you want MS that bad go buy one and make it yourself. No one is stopping you, so please quit crying.

Ill give you hint about the PnP.

Its owned by a member here...

Originally posted by teklein
Ill give you hint about the PnP. Its owned by a member here...

ya i know who. but why doesn't symtech release a public version. they can do the manifold, but not the PnP??

So where can you buy a PnP ecu from then??

PM "rstare". his name's ryan. wait, was that supposed to be kept a secret?

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
PM "rstare". his name's ryan. wait, was that supposed to be kept a secret?

Smooth mike, very smooth. I do concur that a PnP MSNS would be THE TITS!

I VOTE there should be a group buy in on that "RACE MANIFOLD"

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
I VOTE there should be a group buy in on that "RACE MANIFOLD"

What the hell? You already have one hellacious monstrosity of a manifold... Unless you have plans for a part deuce?...


2.4 Swapped again...

Originally posted by BlackBomexTalon

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO I VOTE there should be a group buy in on that "RACE MANIFOLD"

What the hell? You already have one hellacious monstrosity of a manifold... Unless you have plans for a part deuce?... 2.4 Swapped again...

I have a daily driver im working on right now

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO

Originally posted by BlackBomexTalon

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO I VOTE there should be a group buy in on that "RACE MANIFOLD"

What the hell? You already have one hellacious monstrosity of a manifold... Unless you have plans for a part deuce?... 2.4 Swapped again...

I have a daily driver im working on right now

What makes that manifold a 'race manifold' ?

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
What makes that manifold a 'race manifold' ?

We call it the 420A Race Manifold because of its design. Our manifold was specifically designed for very high performance applications. It's the only one of its kind that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, but still offers uncompromised performance and durability. For instance, the runners feature a cross-sectional area more than 8.5 square centimeters larger than the stock manifold and it's made of highly durable stainless steel.

I think I just died and came back to life...
Someone has developed and PnP MS system, and didn't tell the world about it?!!

Man, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on that!

Someone please point me to this symtech genious so I can thank him personally. For that matter, why are we all not bowing down in masses in front of this guy.
I say give them some breathing room to get this thing tested and eventually available to the public.
Good work symtech!

All a PNP design consists of is a factory ECU case with connector and a MS ecu wired in to the right pins. Voltage regulator wired the the ECU pins and thats it.

If you really want one then find a burned out ECU. Its no mystery or feat to make it look like factory.

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
All a PNP design consists of is a factory ECU case with connector and a MS ecu wired in to the right pins. Voltage regulator wired the the ECU pins and thats it. If you really want one then find a burned out ECU. Its no mystery or feat to make it look like factory.

I forget the company, but check out Neons.org. They have been doing this for YEARS.

IIRC, the product is called NeonSquirt.

They could do a 420ASquirt fairly easily.

i just don't get it, if it's so easy, why hasn't anyone capitalized on this business opportunity? There seems to be enough demand for it to make good revenue/profit.

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
i just don't get it, if it's so easy, why hasn't anyone capitalized on this business opportunity? There seems to be enough demand for it to make good revenue/profit.

Well, it's not quite as easy as you may think. MegaSquirt was originally designed to retrofit older carbureted cars with electronic fuel injection. As such, there aren't many provisions for controlling some of the more modern features found in 420A DSM's and Neons. There's a lot of work currently going into this project, most of which is dedicated to bridging the gap between what Megasquirt and the stock PCM can control.

Originally posted by teklein
I forget the company, but check out Neons.org. They have been doing this for YEARS. IIRC, the product is called NeonSquirt. They could do a 420ASquirt fairly easily.

NeonSquirt went out of business about six months ago. They never made a plug-and-play Megasquirt system either. There was another individual attempting to develop such a product on Neons.org, but after taking money for about ten orders, he ended up not finishing the project.

Originally posted by SymTech Labs

Originally posted by teklein I forget the company, but check out Neons.org. They have been doing this for YEARS. IIRC, the product is called NeonSquirt. They could do a 420ASquirt fairly easily.

NeonSquirt went out of business about six months ago. They never made a plug-and-play Megasquirt system either. There was another individual attempting to develop such a product on Neons.org, but after taking money for about ten orders, he ended up not finishing the project.

Neon guys have been using the stock ECU case for a while.

Originally posted by SymTech Labs

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC i just don't get it, if it's so easy, why hasn't anyone capitalized on this business opportunity? There seems to be enough demand for it to make good revenue/profit.

Well, it's not quite as easy as you may think. MegaSquirt was originally designed to retrofit older carbureted cars with electronic fuel injection. As such, there aren't many provisions for controlling some of the more modern features found in 420A DSM's and Neons. There's a lot of work currently going into this project, most of which is dedicated to bridging the gap between what Megasquirt and the stock PCM can control.

very glad to see you join the thread. I'm also glad to see you say that there is work and funding going into the project. I know that when it is released, the PnP will be very much in demand. The bridge you're talking about, well, yes, that takes time, but how much time

Originally posted by teklein
Neon guys have been using the stock ECU case for a while.

We are very active in the Neon community and from our experience, using the stock PCM enclosure is virtually unheard of. A couple of individuals have crafted plug-and-play harnesses for their personal use, but it's not a common practice. Most Neon Megasquirt users install their Megasquirt ECU's the traditional way.

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
All a PNP design consists of is a factory ECU case with connector and a MS ecu wired in to the right pins. Voltage regulator wired the the ECU pins and thats it. If you really want one then find a burned out ECU. Its no mystery or feat to make it look like factory.

Is it safe to have the MS unit under the hood? When you replace the stock ecu with your phantom MS unit, then where do you mount and connect the actual ECU for doing it's normal job?

At that point you are not running a piggy back MS, it is for the purpose of full stand alone.

This is just an FYI. The mounting hole under runner# 3 is extremely tight. I was unable to get a stock exhaust mani bolt to go through(do any of you guys use them on your turbo mani's?). The recess just isn't large enough. I had planned on using some ARP 45mm exhaust mani studs, but he ain't fitting either. It looks like it gonna have to be quite a bit shorter than that, and the nut is probably gonna have to be threaded before fully seating the manifold. Just a heads up.

Originally posted by freelancefool
Not local and I can't get pics.

This is what he sent me ...

Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by freelancefool Not local and I can't get pics.

This is what he sent me ...

Nice manifold I suppose, but I still dont understand what makes it a 'race manifold' besides just calling it that to better help sell it.

IMO, not much. It's cast stainless from what i was told, so it should be very durable.

I think the runners look a little larger than on the factory cast exhaust manifold while also featuring softer angles for improved flow. It's not an equal length unit, but looks fairly OEM while allowing for a nice turbo installation which doesn't look like you cobbled together some odds and ends you found under the kitchen sink.

Is it a race manifold? Well, I'd say that, if you buy the manifold, install it, and take it to the track a couple times, it is. More race than elaborate tig-welded monstrosities that spend more time on the dyno or in the paint shop than at the track.

Of course, what do I know, right? :shrug

Originally posted by DR1665
I think the runners look a little larger than on the factory cast exhaust manifold while also featuring softer angles for improved flow. It's not an equal length unit, but looks fairly OEM while allowing for a nice turbo installation which doesn't look like you cobbled together some odds and ends you found under the kitchen sink. Is it a race manifold? Well, I'd say that, if you buy the manifold, install it, and take it to the track a couple times, it is. More race than elaborate tig-welded monstrosities that spend more time on the dyno or in the paint shop than at the track. Of course, what do I know, right? :shrug

Hopefully that was not directly aimed at me :shrug

Yes, it is a nice almost stock looking turbo manifold, I was just curious on why the company calls it a race manifold.

To entice people to buy it. Seriously man, you have to make a product appealing for people to want to buy it. Marketing 101.

Originally posted by Fallen4ng31
To entice people to buy it. Seriously man, you have to make a product appealing for people to want to buy it. Marketing 101.

Yeah that was what I said above...the company just named it a race manifold to make it more appealing to the public to buy it.

Define "Race Manifold".

I dont think it matters what they call it. Its alot better than that log style manifold were all use too

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
I dont think it matters what they call it. Its alot better than that log style manifold were all use too

Thank you. Call it super happy mega sparkle level 4 manifold for all I care, it's still the most practicle and durable (theoretically) mani for our application with relatively superior flow characteristics.

I'm curious if a low-profile wastegate is necessary to clear an aftermarket radiator + low profile fans. I'm already planning the upgrade...

Dino,

Can you post more detailed pictures of the manifold? I suspect we may not be able to use the factory location for the support bracket with everything mounted up.

Thanks Mang.

What support bracket?

The factory downpipe that is supported on the block by the 2 12 mm bolts. I think with the placement of the Symtech manifold being that low, we may not be able to use that factory location without some clever engineering. Or maybe i'm just being a worry wart.

Originally posted by eclipsekaiser
The factory downpipe that is supported on the block by the 2 12 mm bolts. I think with the placement of the Symtech manifold being that low, we may not be able to use that factory location without some clever engineering. Or maybe i'm just being a worry wart.

This.

that bracket is about as useless as the brackets that hold up the intake manifold

lol. dino's the only one with this manifold? i'd like to see it installed w/ fitment pics... how bout it d... :)

Can't start until the driveway is poured. I have to be able to move the car out of the way, and this thig is probably going to require a new downpipe to be fabricated... and if I do that, I might as well make new IC pipes, too...

some one give me one ill make a nice turbo kit out of it...What do you say stmtech sponsor me one of these's mani's...PLEASE...maybe??