How can I get major horse power and still pass smog?  Also
where do I find a 420a motor?

Pray . . . jk. You can turn to Nitrous Systems for quick HP. Other than that don't expect to have "major" HP with out forced induction.

http://www.msrecycling.com/ Search them out for 420a motors. If you decide to get MAJOR HP you should get smog hookups ;-)

on the assumption that you are in so cal... if you touch your car in the wrong way, it wont pass smog.. bastards! and yes, without forced induction, its hard to get our cars "fast". but there is a growing group of boosted 2gnters in cali and we are all finding places to get "smogged".. (if you look around, there are ppl willing to run your car and pass it off of the sniffer).

and to find a block around here.. just call the local junkyards, they are around... and dont just ask for eclipse/talon engines.

[div class="dcquote"][i][b]Originally posted by
mars9er[/i][/b]
How can I get major horse power and still pass smog?  Also
where do I find a 420a motor?
[/div]

Hello fellow DSMer I hate to bring bad news but the truth is
better than a lie....The fact is you cannot make any Ultra
High Power Mods to the the 420a and be smog legal in
California I should know because I have the same type as you
and I have maxed out my cell phone daytime talk-time asking
questions to every shop in California and they all say the
same either get rid of it or stick a GS-T motor under the hood
to the tune of $7000-10,000 if you wish to stay legal or nitro
it and ya may melt pistons in the mid to long run or you can
do as the other guys said and slip a turbo on the 420a and
smog in the shadows of life AKA under the table and by the way
is getting harder to do with California cracking down on such
shops.  

One other thing ya may consider is moving outa State, just a
thought.

Or you can add bolt ons port and port till ya pockets run dry
or hell freezes over and the only thing you might get is
around 150hp to the wheels max!

You cannot add High Compression Pistons and or Cams they will
cause smog output to increase and you will not pass the smog,
did not want you to think I forgot about those things...Smile
more to come...

But don't feel bad I signed a contract to the tune of
27,161.50 that's with intrest whole etc back when my GS was
about 3yrs old and only 25,000 miles on the od! I said man
what a deal I just got, yea right!!!Even though I told the
Mitsubishi dealer that my plans were to add a turbo at a later
date he did not tell me jack!!!

So I am looking at paying it off holding my head up high
swallow my pride and just spend approx $1,700-2,500 and settle
for a quick 150whp with all bolt ons port and polish or moving
to Texas to get away from the "California Smog
Communist" or just trade it in for a different car all
together and taking a loss 18,000+ in past payments and eating
a difference of 5,500.00+ from being upside down (owing more
than this car is worth) because I did not put down a big ol
payment....Can you say "Screwed?"

And yes I looked for a GS-T but could not find a coup plenty
of ragg tops but no hard tops and no need to say why I did not
want a ragg with all the playa haters in L.A..

If only Mitsubishi/Chrysler got it right the 1st time...

That Cobalt SS W/O SuperCharger is looking better everyday
since it is upgradeable to a SuperCharger at a later date.
Also thought about taking back to Mitsu for trade to 06 GT but
dealer may wonder why and wanna up the price or not give me a
good value for my car still only got 63,000 miles...Oh well...


Any questions send me a message...



  
 

there are two things you can do but you must have good
"relations" with the mechanic. You can either put
all the stock parts back on (plug the oil pan too) which you
should definetly pass emissions but not visuals, or find
another 2gnt eclipse  and use that car to pass emissions for
you (but of course use your own VIN number). 

uhm, he would have read your replies 3 yrs ago. 

as for fullmoon...your kidding right? 

[div class="dcquote"][i][b]Originally posted by
Chamuko[/i][/b]
uhm, he would have read your replies 3 yrs ago.   as for
fullmoon...your kidding right? 
[/div]

Sorry about that I was tired when I typed it did not look at
the date I guess I'm getting to be an old trucker still even
though the post is old I hope/prey it will help the next guy
should he think about California and or buying/modding a GS in
that state I don't wanna see another person get hurt like I
did

And to answer your question Nope I'm serious as a heart
sugery...dead serious!!!
 
And yes I did get taken for a ride and pushed out the suicide
door at 150mph and so I got more "drive shaft" than
I could handle on my first date.

The 420a is very tempermental when it comes to modification in
the State of California and you may get approximately 150whp
max of course give or take a few ponies.

I spoke to a guy in the riverside area out here California
with a dyno shop and he told me from his hands on tunning of
this car I would be better off just getting rid of it for
different and or new car if I wanna go really fast and stay
legal in that State.

(Also had a dealer tell me not to buy an 06 Eclipse instead
buy a Evo if I wanted to go really fast...I had to scratch me
head on that one!!!) 

The 420a without boost is not a good engine to go fast as say
a GS-T or anywhere near that class and the dealers and
Mitsubishi knows it and they have lost a lot and I mean a lot
of customers in the California area in terms of future sales,
which is why you see the comments they make to the press
"The new eclipse is aimed at a new market" (My
translation/understanding)..."We are looking for people
who don't know about our past" and get this  the only
improvents they made to the eclipse was a knock off version of
the V-Tec what a pathetic joke!!!...(However let me say this
the car insurance industry drives the auto industry so they
had to find a way to make a two door go fast without the turbo
I might have done the same if I owned or were a GM of an auto
giant).

I was sooo mad I cried and it still hits me in the heart from
time to time but as you can see what goes around comes around
with the financial problems Mitsubishi has been having lately
it's only a matter of time before Blub Blub Blub under they
go!!!.

The 420a will not give you a good return for the money you
invest in you'll spend several thousands to get mabey 50whp I
saw on a another site one guy got approx 142-147whp with all
bolt ons.

I have been thinking of the Cobalt SS but lately my hands have
been hurting from driving coast to coast for so long trying to
pay on this heap and I really hafta ask myself if I can handle
another 48-60 months of having a bank with a knife to my
throat my only answer is no so I may just try to hurry pay it
off and buy some property and let my money work for me so I
can back off driving so darn much and get my new car that way,
I have also thought about moving to Texas to put my plan into
action and take my car with me that way I don't hafta deal
with the California Smog Terrorist.

See in Texas the law-makers are not like the California
law-makers you can add a turbo etc but as long as it don't put
out tooo much smog they don't hassle ya...God Bless Texas!!! 

The Visual is a problem in this state as well, If it does not
have a CARB (California Air Resources Board) Approved sticker
on that Modification on the part you add they fail you and you
must take it off then retest again.
 
I like the looks of the eclipse and the name sounds cool too
but the eclipse RS/GS was not made to go fast that way they
did not make some guy mad who just bought a GS-T so they made
them to stay two steps behind the GS-T and in my opinion they
hid behind the law to acheive their goal in California, I
beleive the could have made it a much better cleaner motor but
they needed profits and the GS-T was the goose that laid the
golden egg so they did not wanna make scrambeled eggs out of
such gold.

(Get this the new GM Cobalt SS Non Super Charged can be
upgraded later in the State of California with a factory Super
Charge kit at the dealer with Gurantee! And hahn is woking on
a turbo kit you can add too don't know if hahn will be Calif.
legal tho?) 

Natural asperation will probably get you down the 1/4 mile
track in approximatly 15.50-16.50 seconds and may give you a
7.25 0-60 times nothing to write home about.

Trust me I have been thinking about putting up a website to
let people know of the pitfalls of buyin a "Slooo
Polk'n" car to make go fast yep that's right there are
other cars out there that have the same problem in California
so don't think I'm picking on these guys because they got
27,161.52 (17,390.00 for the car alone) from me and did not
tell me I could not put a turbo on it in California even
though I told the dealer my plans to do so in the future, I'm
sure other dealers do the same every day to guys like us it's
just so happen I bought a Mitsubishi so that's how I just so
happen to found out.

I probably would buy an 06 GT it does come with better hp but
if the price was not so high, by one stock persons est. the
stock or as I would say the cars are over priced by 18%!!!
(Which probably why Chrysler dumped em) so that is one other
reason I am staying away from any new Mitsubishis (Just my
opinion).

Also I must add this word of warning: "When Californicate
sneezes the rest of the country catches a cold" so watch
your lawmakers like a hawk and make sure they are shown the
front door when they catch a cold and tell em you don't wanna
get sick in the head like him!!!

And if the guy or guys that own this website wanna see my
Contract I'll be only to glade to mail them a copy or bring it
to them personally so they can post it on the site I'll even
put my hand on the Bible and or take a lie detector test!

Need any more n4 you know where I'll be over here with
Contract still in hand paying on a car that was never ment to
be all it could be.

"Let the buyer beware lest thee find thy self behind a
rock and a hard place"
 

i find it hard to believe that somebody would sell an eclipse
for 27k, let alone have some1 be stupid enough to pay even
half that price...2gnt's with 15k in them sell for 13k...if
this story by fullmoon is actually true, whoever sold you that
car probably laughed hysterically at you as you were driving
away

27,000 wow...i paid 5 for mine

Originally posted by fullmoon
Blah Blah Blah, I'm a dumbass.:D

Yes, I agree with you completely.

edit : blah, how do you split up a quote? eh ill just bold it.


First off, keep it civil guys.



Fullmoon, Im sorry man, truth is you got burned and are taking it the wrong way. Most of what you say is true, Im an SAE member and have talked with the chrysler engineer who made the new charger, it was the bean counters(accountants) not engineers who took out the SC. As for the cobalt, its a joke sorry. Hence why Gm just closed 9 plants and laid of 30K workers. Their technology is so far behind its not even funny at times.

As for the car, I got mine when I was 16 in 98-99 for 5k and 16k miles on it.


Sorry about that I was tired when I typed it did not look at the date I guess I'm getting to be an old trucker still even though the post is old I hope/prey it will help the next guy should he think about California and or buying/modding a GS in that state I don't wanna see another person get hurt like I did And to answer your question Nope I'm serious as a heart sugery...dead serious!!! And yes I did get taken for a ride and pushed out the suicide door at 150mph and so I got more "drive shaft" than I could handle on my first date. The 420a is very tempermental when it comes to modification in the State of California and you may get approximately 150whp max of course give or take a few ponies.

That so? Sorry dude, Im in the Los angeles Area I can show you some neons with 180hp and pass smog w/o a hitch.


I spoke to a guy in the riverside area out here California with a dyno shop and he told me from his hands on tunning of this car I would be better off just getting rid of it for different and or new car if I wanna go really fast and stay legal in that State.

I would agree, This car was not meant to be the flagship. Sonds to me like your the type that should get another car. Easier and less of a headache for ya.


(Also had a dealer tell me not to buy an 06 Eclipse instead buy a Evo if I wanted to go really fast...I had to scratch me head on that one!!!)

Really? why? evo is designed with AWD has nice brakes and nice power.
The new eclipse again is not their top of the line car. Oh and the evo gets em a pretty penny.


The 420a without boost is not a good engine to go fast as say a GS-T or anywhere near that class and the dealers and Mitsubishi knows it

Yeah they know it, mitsu made em. But sorry again This is the old 4g63 vs 420a debate. Its apples and oranges. Look at the 2.4L turbocharged chrysler then yor getting closer.


and they have lost a lot and I mean a lot of customers in the California area in terms of future sales, which is why you see the comments they make to the press "The new eclipse is aimed at a new market" (My translation/understanding)..."We are looking for people who don't know about our past"

Their "past" and present views on customers is what they meant to say. Poor products in terms of reliability and they take no action with Proven problems unless they are required by law ( danger to the public, i.e. ball joints failing on the highway).
Add to that bad warranties, asshole dealers and 70bucks an hour to tell you a bulb is out.


and get this the only improvents they made to the eclipse was a knock off version of the V-Tec what a pathetic joke!!!


MIVEC has been around for a while and is a bit different then v-tec. All in all mitsu was making japanese Zeros while honda was making bikes with a 2stroke single cylinder.



...(However let me say this the car insurance industry drives the auto industry so they had to find a way to make a two door go fast without the turbo I might have done the same if I owned or were a GM of an auto giant). I was sooo mad I cried and it still hits me in the heart from time to time but as you can see what goes around comes around with the financial problems Mitsubishi has been having lately it's only a matter of time before Blub Blub Blub under they go!!!.

Ah you understand economics! this is true for all companies. Why do you think the new z06 has a huge engine rather then a more advanced one? The new charger got a bigger displacement hemi rather then a SC. the list goes on and on...


The 420a will not give you a good return for the money you invest in you'll spend several thousands to get mabey 50whp I saw on a another site one guy got approx 142-147whp with all bolt ons.


Several thousands for 50 hp? ouch your getting worked hard if you do. Now if you meant that N/A , then yea, but still you will be above 190hp I hope. Then again those arnt bolt ons. 142-147? hp with bolt ons? thats sad, but then again this is a 140bhp car. Its also a result of maintenance and tolerances from the assembly plant.

I have been thinking of the Cobalt SS but lately my hands have been hurting from driving coast to coast for so long trying to pay on this heap and I really hafta ask myself if I can handle another 48-60 months of having a bank with a knife to my throat my only answer is no


Do what you feel is best for you. I have never bought a car from the dealer, they simply rip you off IMO. As for the chevy, go test drive it. I personally think its an ok price but still has that cheap plastic feel of a cavi.

so I may just try to hurry pay it off and buy some property and let my money work for me so I can back off driving so darn much and get my new car that way, I have also thought about moving to Texas to put my plan into action and take my car with me that way I don't hafta deal with the California Smog Terrorist. See in Texas the law-makers are not like the California law-makers you can add a turbo etc but as long as it don't put out tooo much smog they don't hassle ya...God Bless Texas!!! The Visual is a problem in this state as well, If it does not have a CARB (California Air Resources Board) Approved sticker on that Modification on the part you add they fail you and you must take it off then retest again.


yeah thats cali for you, live with it or find ways to cope.


I like the looks of the eclipse and the name sounds cool too but the eclipse RS/GS was not made to go fast that way they did not make some guy mad who just bought a GS-T so they made them to stay two steps behind the GS-T and in my opinion they hid behind the law to acheive their goal in California, I beleive the could have made it a much better cleaner motor but they needed profits and the GS-T was the goose that laid the golden egg so they did not wanna make scrambeled eggs out of such gold.


again touching on this, it was DSM. You had the money you got the car you wanted. The Gs and RS where or rather are econoboxes. So what engine did chrysler have that was pretty decent? the 420A. What would mitsu have stuck in there? probably a nt 4g63. simple numbers again, they didnt want to spend more then they had to.


(Get this the new GM Cobalt SS Non Super Charged can be upgraded later in the State of California with a factory Super Charge kit at the dealer with Gurantee! And hahn is woking on a turbo kit you can add too don't know if hahn will be Calif. legal tho?) Natural asperation will probably get you down the 1/4 mile track in approximatly 15.50-16.50 seconds and may give you a 7.25 0-60 times nothing to write home about.


Yeah and cost you how much ? plus install at a certified dealer for how much? and it will still change some things on your warranty, guaranteed.

Hahn will not make it carb exempt, it will cost them 10k just to get it looked at the first time, money that I doubt they will want to fork out.

Trust me I have been thinking about putting up a website to let people know of the pitfalls of buyin a "Slooo Polk'n" car to make go fast yep that's right there are other cars out there that have the same problem in California so don't think I'm picking on these guys because they got 27,161.52 (17,390.00 for the car alone) from me and did not tell me I could not put a turbo on it in California even though I told the dealer my plans to do so in the future, I'm sure other dealers do the same every day to guys like us it's just so happen I bought a Mitsubishi so that's how I just so happen to found out.

Then thats just ebcause you like many before you didnt do their hw and just ASSUMED. ignorance is bliss, you found out and that ruined your view on dealers? dealers are dealers, as soon as you drive it off the lot or sign those papers, they give a rats ass what you do so long as they are not responsible and dont have to pay for it.

I probably would buy an 06 GT it does come with better hp but if the price was not so high, by one stock persons est. the stock or as I would say the cars are over priced by 18%!!! (Which probably why Chrysler dumped em) so that is one other reason I am staying away from any new Mitsubishis (Just my opinion).
yeah, poor sales thats why they got dumped. Who is chrysler working with? hyundai.Who would you want to work with? a partner thats a crackaddict and is going down hill or the new guy thats making it up the ladder at a pretty good pace?


Also I must add this word of warning: "When Californicate sneezes the rest of the country catches a cold" so watch your lawmakers like a hawk and make sure they are shown the front door when they catch a cold and tell em you don't wanna get sick in the head like him!!! And if the guy or guys that own this website wanna see my Contract I'll be only to glade to mail them a copy or bring it to them personally so they can post it on the site I'll even put my hand on the Bible and or take a lie detector test! Need any more n4 you know where I'll be over here with Contract still in hand paying on a car that was never ment to be all it could be. "Let the buyer beware lest thee find thy self behind a rock and a hard place"


We dont need to see your contract some of the guys here are still paying off their cars and have similar debt. They too have been given the shoulder by mitsu.

About Cali, yeah they lead in a lot of things. From emissions to building regulations. Its nothing but politics and money. I know that the only reason hydrogen tanks have not been aproved for cars yet is because the makers pissed off the DOT by saying that they would pass their tests w/o a hitch ( they passed germanys which are way stricter). So what is the DOT doing? not even testing their things...
I have seen those tanks take a direct hit from a .50 cal. without busting.


To each his own. Its great that your expressing your opinion, but thats all it is. Even with some facts, its just your experience. I just dont want everyone out there to think that things are that bad. I Also dont want them to think its an easy thing, your either in it because you like it or for someother reason. Yes there are WAY better cars with better potential. The good thing about things like this is that it weeds out those that shouldnt be doing this.

[div class="dcquote"][i][b]Originally posted by
reeveso[/i][/b]
i find it hard to believe that somebody would sell an eclipse
for 27k, let alone have some1 be stupid enough to pay even
half that price...2gnt's with 15k in them sell for 13k...if
this story by fullmoon is actually true, whoever sold you that
car probably laughed hysterically at you as you were driving
away
[/div]

No no the car was about 17,000 the charge for borrowing the
money was about 6,000 and it was back when the car was allmost
new only had 25,000 on the od it was a good deal from that
stand point I looked it up but the 420a was not on my list of
things to look at, yea it's true I got the car I wanted but I
just wish the California law makers and the guys who made the
420a did not screw things up for guys that wanna mod their
cars with the 420a's installed

good lord that's a long post, way too much effort, but all so true

I agree that I should have done my homework I have looked at all my options and tommorrow I'll probably make a move to trade it in at least I'll have a better car just don't know whatt it is I been looking at allll the websites gathering as much info as I can about this car and various cars talking to dealers etc...And OOOOh yea I learned a very hard lesson and it's been just faith that has got me this far without jumping out a window or in front of a Choo Choo hehehehe!!!

Yes I still joke about it but all in all I learned somthing and well looking on the bright side at least I got a good car that has not broken down on me and if I decide to build it up it can be done a little bit anyway and I got a chance to meet smart guys like all of you guys who know wayyy more than me.

It was my dream car it just kinda turned out to be a nighmare in a funny sorta way.

And thank you all for very good information and ideas I just hope no one else gets hurt like I did just do me a favor if ya see a guy with the same ideas/dream I had, sit him down and talk to him for a looong time...Thx

At the time it was a good deal just did not put much cash down nor did I know about the California Smog laws like many many others out there but thanx for the support your a real great guy...

Hay looking farther down the road (No pun intended) how many laws do you know or not know that you may or may not have broken today???...Hummm

In other words do you know all the laws in your town or city or state and for that matter do any of us???....I'm sure it's how a dictatorship is started and I'm sure it's the same road Cuba took.

The frog don't know he's being cooked till the water gets hot and yea yea I know I got cooked into frog soup but I ain't the only one you in the pot with me somewhere!!! Hehehehe!!!!

Several thousands for 50 hp? ouch your getting worked hard if you do. Now if you meant that N/A , then yea, but still you will be above 190hp I hope. Then again those arnt bolt ons. 142-147? hp with bolt ons? thats sad, but then again this is a 140bhp car. Its also a result of maintenance and tolerances from the assembly plant.

Yea I have looked at several sites posted argued etc and talked to shops all across America and they say I have a 140 hp stock car that with just bolt ons I should hit about 180-190-200hp to the flywheel to mabey 150 or so max the wheels N/A, not bad not good but it'a far better that 140 to the fly or 116 to the wheels.

Have not made many mods yet just intake and magnaflow muffler just trying to decide if I should just trade her in being so close to paying it off is the only thing holding me back and throwing all those payments in the trash is not a good feeling either the car runs good kinda quick just not fast like I had planned for if I can get close to 190 to the flywheel and 150 to the wheels w/o any problems to the smog using for the most part street legal parts, mods, port polish etc etc hay it won't be fast but quick is fun in it's own little way I'll just go ahead and keep her, God knows I spent a lot of money on her anyway.

Mabey them guys that make cars can learn somthing from this too in other words if consumers get burned they get burned.

And ya know California is such a great place to be if ya like headaches that is.

"That so? Sorry dude, Im in the Los angeles Area I can show you some neons with 180hp and pass smog w/o a hitch."

180hp to the wheels!!!! or to the fly??? I missed that part dude thanx that's what I been asking people and they all say the same for the most part and (w/o nos no turbo) that's even better if that's the case let me know that's what I been look'n for who did they get to do it and what did they have done???

Thats what this site is here for.
I see you around town or if you approach me, Ill tell ya what I know and take it as you will.

some people learn, some dont even listen.

Stick around, read and youll learn somethings. If your near me Ill help with what I can.

Theres some guys near ya if your near riverside. Im by the 60 and 605

Wheel.

Ran em on our university Dyno. You wanna run yours? you can see the 500ft/lb electric porsche we have there.

Therse some chrysler places around here. Dont listen to all the shops, most dont know squat IMO. The ones that do, can even be biased.

Originally posted by Chamuko
Wheel. Ran em on our university Dyno. You wanna run yours? you can see the 500ft/lb electric porsche we have there. Therse some chrysler places around here. Dont listen to all the shops, most dont know squat IMO. The ones that do, can even be biased.

Yea I'll take ya up on the dyno after I put all my bolt ons on this put-put in April but I'd also like to know what shop did the work to get those Neons up to 180hp to the ground.
I'm gonna do all the internals port polish and build up the bottom with a set of high compression pistons (not too high like 9.1 or 10.1 w/o overbore) hopefully it won't cause any smog problems gonna shoot for at least 200-210 to the fly.

aye full , im in riverside and can show ya my lil n/a wonder machine bro.. (actually temecula area) prolly not too far from ya....let me know ill take ya for a drive :)

THA ATX GOD
Mr InFiNiT3


02:19:18pm DarkOne> They'd have had to brought a whole fucking JUG of KY.
02:19:28pm InFiNiT3> lol no shit
02:19:39pm DarkOne> and a funnel.
02:19:45pm grain> have to get the ky with warming
02:20:00pm InFiNiT3> i feel sorry for the 18 y/o (one was 17 one 18) his name was plaster'd all over the news n news paper
02:20:06pm DarkOne> Yeah, has to be warming.
02:20:06pm BuckNutty> jus spit on it and it'll go in
02:20:17pm InFiNiT3> aye the ky w/ warming any good>
02:20:45pm grain> never tryed it
02:20:50pm grain> i applyed for a sample on thier website
02:20:56pm BuckNutty> evan didn't complain any
02:20:56pm BuckNutty> it felt nice
02:20:57pm InFiNiT3> lol
02:21:01pm grain> i use id glide whne she dries
02:21:06pm grain> good stuff
02:21:45pm InFiNiT3> thnx for the new sig guys
02:21:45pm DarkOne> Are we still talking about fucking dead chicks?

oh and CHA u wouldnt happen to have any of your old ATX ecu's laying around do ya?


02:19:18pm DarkOne> They'd have had to brought a whole fucking JUG of KY.
02:19:28pm InFiNiT3> lol no shit
02:19:39pm DarkOne> and a funnel.
02:19:45pm grain> have to get the ky with warming
02:20:00pm InFiNiT3> i feel sorry for the 18 y/o (one was 17 one 18) his name was plaster'd all over the news n news paper
02:20:06pm DarkOne> Yeah, has to be warming.
02:20:06pm BuckNutty> jus spit on it and it'll go in
02:20:17pm InFiNiT3> aye the ky w/ warming any good>
02:20:45pm grain> never tryed it
02:20:50pm grain> i applyed for a sample on thier website
02:20:56pm BuckNutty> evan didn't complain any
02:20:56pm BuckNutty> it felt nice
02:20:57pm InFiNiT3> lol
02:21:01pm grain> i use id glide whne she dries
02:21:06pm grain> good stuff
02:21:45pm InFiNiT3> thnx for the new sig guys
02:21:45pm DarkOne> Are we still talking about fucking dead chicks?

sup peeps. moon ill shoot ya my cell number. Its finals weeks so busy like hell all this week and next.

I can do dyno runs for yo guys, just pls keep it to you guys and not your friends etc. and probably every other week, or maybe once a month. Last student was busted running a business out of that lab so yeah.... dont want to get accused of that.

And yes I do have 2 ATX ecus. 98 and 97

fullmoon..instead of trading ur car in and losing money..why dont you just bite the bullet and drive around a slow car for the next year or two or however long and save up a good downpayment for another car..then sell the eclipse, which would give you an even better downpayment, and get a new 1. if you dont have the money to be able to put a constant amount of money (or at least kinda of) into ur car, IMO dont kill urself JUST so you have a fast car. i know alot of people on this forum prob wont agree with that, but IMO theres more important things to worry about than having a fast car. thats probably just me though, i've seen too many people around me die b/c of car related accidents (in the last 4 months a kid i worked with died who was 17 years old, and a 23 year old army guy my bro knew died)....even flyinesi was just in an accident and totalled his car he worked and spent so much money on..all it takes is 1 lil slip and its all over with. i'd rather buy my girlfriend somethin or help my parents out with money than spend my hard earned money on something that'll gimme 5hp and barely make a difference

and sry for what i said before, i've made alot of stupid mistakes 2 i shouldnt criticize.

oh, oh, oh, dyno my car! dyno my car!! lol. No but seriously :)

Originally posted by 96rs-t
oh, oh, oh, dyno my car! dyno my car!! lol. No but seriously :)

yea! 2gnt dyno session. still haven't adjusted my cam gears yet. if Chammy's teacher comes in unannounced, I'm good at hiding in small places!

Originally posted by reeveso
fullmoon..instead of trading ur car in and losing money..why dont you just bite the bullet and drive around a slow car for the next year or two or however long and save up a good downpayment for another car..then sell the eclipse, which would give you an even better downpayment, and get a new 1. if you dont have the money to be able to put a constant amount of money (or at least kinda of) into ur car, IMO dont kill urself JUST so you have a fast car. i know alot of people on this forum prob wont agree with that, but IMO theres more important things to worry about than having a fast car. thats probably just me though, i've seen too many people around me die b/c of car related accidents (in the last 4 months a kid i worked with died who was 17 years old, and a 23 year old army guy my bro knew died)....even flyinesi was just in an accident and totalled his car he worked and spent so much money on..all it takes is 1 lil slip and its all over with. i'd rather buy my girlfriend somethin or help my parents out with money than spend my hard earned money on something that'll gimme 5hp and barely make a difference and sry for what i said before, i've made alot of stupid mistakes 2 i shouldnt criticize.

Hayyy man no sweat you'er just try'n to help but yea I'm gonna tweek her up as I pay her off then do the final tweeks when she's finaly paid off, all that I'm doing won't cost too much because I'm looking at just getting her to breathe better gonna try to stay away from the electronics mods if I can 50 hp is cool if I can get a little more it's cool too.

After all that I'm looking into buying a house as soon as possible then use the equity to pay off moms SUV and at a later date I may buy another eclipse with more power but in the mean time quick is cool besides that I'd only be behind a GS-T by a few seconds in the 1/4 mile so at least I'd be quicker than most hondas etc... :)

But as far as street race'n not meeee I may get into a few street fights while cruising the highway just to cut a guys ego up into little pieces but I don't get bold and or nutts wit it :)

I drive a truck and see accidents almost daily so I know what you'er talk'n about and with a CDL I can't lay it on the line I like to eat! :)

It's just the thought of throwing all my money into it from the stand point of the contract that has me pissed off but it's all good because the guy that sold this car to me knowing full well I could not turbo it legaly in California (even though I told him what my plans were) will have no good fortune come to him in life {I think he was fired from the dealership since I bought it} I truly belive in what comes around goes around...

You know what's nice? Seeing a new guy bump a two year old old thread, post with the plain text turned on (which bugs a lot of people), generally dog a 2GNT, and still manage to have a civil conversation. That's really cool, imo.

I have to admit, if brother paid $27,000 for a a 2GNT, he got raped. Granted, I know the way you always end up paying more in the end due to interest, but you can't really dwell on that too much. Most of us are more concerned with how much we have to pay each month more than the total. My Daisy was under $15k brand new and I paid on her for more than six years. I had my share of troubles along the way, but she's mine now, and I'm never getting rid of her.

I'd say, leave California. That's the best thing anyone can do. If more people would leave California, the government and businesses there would be more interested in making life worth living. I love the beach and I love cruising with SoCal DSM, but California is the most retarded and socialist state in the country. I'll never live there. Ever. It's full of wealthy retards who annoy me and the rest of the country with common sense.

Originally posted by DR1665
You know what's nice? Seeing a new guy bump a two year old old thread, post with the plain text turned on (which bugs a lot of people), generally dog a 2GNT, and still manage to have a civil conversation. That's really cool, imo. I have to admit, if brother paid $27,000 for a a 2GNT, he got raped. Granted, I know the way you always end up paying more in the end due to interest, but you can't really dwell on that too much. Most of us are more concerned with how much we have to pay each month more than the total. My Daisy was under $15k brand new and I paid on her for more than six years. I had my share of troubles along the way, but she's mine now, and I'm never getting rid of her. I'd say, leave California. That's the best thing anyone can do. If more people would leave California, the government and businesses there would be more interested in making life worth living. I love the beach and I love cruising with SoCal DSM, but California is the most retarded and socialist state in the country. I'll never live there. Ever. It's full of wealthy retards who annoy me and the rest of the country with common sense.

Sorry dude about the text don't know how to turn it on or off and yea I think I dug up some old bones from the past! :)

Yea I paid approx 17,000 for the car I guess in my haste I may have missed mentioning that fact, looking back it was truly a good deal it just turns out that the original blueprinters/builders of the engine did not take into account the fact that owners would add turbos at a later date in California so they did not build a very clean motor and or a aftermarket turbo which would have increased sales as Chevy did with the Cobalt SS and that's what has me somewhat bitter but it's just a scrape on my nose no big deal I got plenty of options at my finger tips for tuning the car it's just choosing the route that makes me happy while trying to stay within the law.

I could just go all motor go fo the max in that area and push somewhere between 150-180 to the tires not bad I can live with all motor and good fule milage, low maintance, low risk to my insurance policy etc...So I my not wind up in the fast and furious movie but instead quick and curious (B) movie...Ya just gotta take the good with bad and :) I guess.

I could add a Hahann and put a CARB Sticker on it or do the same with a Mitsu turbo which comes with a CARB (Just gotta get a Manifold fabricated to fit the 420a sneeky but it would work) and have the engine internals rebuilt but the down side to that is mabey getting caught by the guy doing the smog check in California and or fule, maintance, higher insurance rates etc...

My biggest fear if I move back to my home state add the turbo then Texas changes the law and or makes a new law then I'm back to square one.

So all looking at all the facts at this time till I decide if I'm going to pack bags and move back to Texas I think I'll just go all motor and live with it, at least I'd be quick which ain't too bad to live with till I get cash saved up all then decide my next move which may be anything from doing a full swap to buying an 08-09 Eclipse or Cobalt or whatever catches my eye but if I do I'll do my homework first! :)

I had a wild idea a few months ago...I can take this moter out put it into a Neon body (if I find one in great shape) then put a GS-T motor in my GS (Both should be fully rebuilt so I have an extended warranty on both) and it's a win win I keep my very good moter with low miles and end up with a 4 door for the future kids and or wife I have a fast eclipse and I'll have a pick up truck too boot, now it may seem goofy but looking at my past dealing with banks payments yada yada I win big time!!!

...Oh yea thanx for the pat on the back I really need it, sorry if I did not look at the date but it's kinda cool becuse I did not take up a lot of band space with a new thread. :)

Originally posted by fullmoon

Originally posted by DR1665 You know what's nice? Seeing a new guy bump a two year old old thread, post with the plain text turned on (which bugs a lot of people), generally dog a 2GNT, and still manage to have a civil conversation. That's really cool, imo. I have to admit, if brother paid $27,000 for a a 2GNT, he got raped. Granted, I know the way you always end up paying more in the end due to interest, but you can't really dwell on that too much. Most of us are more concerned with how much we have to pay each month more than the total. My Daisy was under $15k brand new and I paid on her for more than six years. I had my share of troubles along the way, but she's mine now, and I'm never getting rid of her. I'd say, leave California. That's the best thing anyone can do. If more people would leave California, the government and businesses there would be more interested in making life worth living. I love the beach and I love cruising with SoCal DSM, but California is the most retarded and socialist state in the country. I'll never live there. Ever. It's full of wealthy retards who annoy me and the rest of the country with common sense.

Sorry dude about the text don't know how to turn it on or off and yea I think I dug up some old bones from the past! :) Yea I paid approx 17,000 for the car I guess in my haste I may have missed mentioning that fact, looking back it was truly a good deal it just turns out that the original blueprinters/builders of the engine did not take into account the fact that owners would add turbos at a later date in California so they did not build a very clean motor and or a aftermarket turbo which would have increased sales as Chevy did with the Cobalt SS and that's what has me somewhat bitter but it's just a scrape on my nose no big deal I got plenty of options at my finger tips for tuning the car it's just choosing the route that makes me happy while trying to stay within the law. I could just go all motor go fo the max in that area and push somewhere between 150-180 to the tires not bad I can live with all motor and good fule milage, low maintance, low risk to my insurance policy etc...So I my not wind up in the fast and furious movie but instead quick and curious (B) movie...Ya just gotta take the good with bad and :) I guess. I could add a Hahann and put a CARB Sticker on it or do the same with a Mitsu turbo which comes with a CARB (Just gotta get a Manifold fabricated to fit the 420a sneeky but it would work) and have the engine internals rebuilt but the down side to that is mabey getting caught by the guy doing the smog check in California and or fule, maintance, higher insurance rates etc... My biggest fear if I move back to my home state add the turbo then Texas changes the law and or makes a new law then I'm back to square one. So all looking at all the facts at this time till I decide if I'm going to pack bags and move back to Texas I think I'll just go all motor and live with it, at least I'd be quick which ain't too bad to live with till I get cash saved up all then decide my next move which may be anything from doing a full swap to buying an 08-09 Eclipse or Cobalt or whatever catches my eye but if I do I'll do my homework first! :) I had a wild idea a few months ago...I can take this moter out put it into a Neon body (if I find one in great shape) then put a GS-T motor in my GS (Both should be fully rebuilt so I have an extended warranty on both) and it's a win win I keep my very good moter with low miles and end up with a 4 door for the future kids and or wife I have a fast eclipse and I'll have a pick up truck too boot, now it may seem goofy but looking at my past dealing with banks payments yada yada I win big time!!! ...Oh yea thanx for the pat on the back I really need it, sorry if I did not look at the date but it's kinda cool becuse I did not take up a lot of band space with a new thread. :)

How about a little less posting and a little more searching!

The gst engine in the gs isnt gonna work ot for you so you should just get it out of your head.

I was just responding to his post sorry about that It's all good :)

hmm kinda of an old post but I'm in cali and my car doesn't pass smog at least for the sniffer. I gotta get rid of these garbage total seal rings.

you can do what I'm doing and building an engine and putting a turbo kit on it. Then when it comes time to smog put all the stock stuff back on and smog it and hope it passes. When you've done it enough times its pretty easy.

Naa I'm going N/A but thx for idea I may get some shop to try HC pistons if it don't work then I py em to put it back to stock I'll have $ to burn once it's paid off. :)