Hey guys finally I completed this swap , Feel like cussin for joy but I wont hehe. That shit is Hard! I got frustrated at points. 1st gens and 2nd gens don't mix. Just found out Im the first in the class to do first gen turbo into 2nd gen non turbo, cause RRE said they only did a 2ndgen 4g63 swap into another 2nd gen non turbo. I did the swap because I was tired of most' of the gst guys putting some of 2gnt guys down, saying this type of swap is impossible or cost over $8,000, and because I wanted to go faster hehe. Besides swap only cost me 3 grand in total. So it was a good investment because the car I took the engine from was already a modified gst. Umm I don't know what to say speechless Im done after 5 months and 3 days! if any of the 2gnt people ever need help because your going to do this or just got questions hit me up on aim : SolarBlueEclipse I'll be happy to help now that ive done this type of swap it might be easier for everyone else only reason why I went first gen swap to 2gen non turbo is because I heard those 4g63 engines had no crank walk and were stronger. Enough Talk here are the pics. Socal 2gnt--- :thumbsup








For more info if you want to do the swap go to http://www.cardomain.com/id/lightningfast
For More pics go to http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=10108&cat=500

Thanks to everyone RRE, GSR motorsports, V&A Autobody, and Jimenez Auto Electric on 51st and Main St. Thanks everyone

Congrats! Looks like it was a lot of work and an even bigger mess... :)


Jen
95 Eagle Talon ESi
97 Mitsubishi Spyder GS-T
90 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
91 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
91 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

Glad you got it working...any CEL's? :P

Originally posted by Uberingram
Glad you got it working...any CEL's? :P

Naa hehe.

Originally posted by NightEclipseRS
Naa hehe.

At least not yet ;)

Jen
95 Eagle Talon ESi
97 Mitsubishi Spyder GS-T
90 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
91 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
91 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

Originally posted by Jen

Originally posted by NightEclipseRS Naa hehe.

At least not yet ;) Jen 95 Eagle Talon ESi 97 Mitsubishi Spyder GS-T 90 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 91 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 91 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

hehe been there "CEL's" done that hehe ya I might see some today Im going to go get a custom downpipe made by www.2kracing.com its like 20 minutes away in van nuys. I need one they did my downpipe a lil wierd cant seem to take oil filter out hehe oh well performance is the way to go.
ok maybe not a lil hehe ;-) . g2g go to 2k now talk to you guys later thanks for the support:cheers

You got a good deal. I wouldn't have done it in a million years, but for all the work involved, you got away very cheap. How does it perform?

For some reason, i hate this thread. I guess it was only a matter of time before someone actually did this, and i can't help but feel badly about it. So now, every fucking dumbshit newbie is going to be asking about this, and expect a genuine answer. Thanks.

This is a sad day for me.

Originally posted by DarkOne
You got a good deal. I wouldn't have done it in a million years, but for all the work involved, you got away very cheap. How does it perform? For some reason, i hate this thread. I guess it was only a matter of time before someone actually did this, and i can't help but feel badly about it. So now, every fucking dumbshit newbie is going to be asking about this, and expect a genuine answer. Thanks. This is a sad day for me.

stop whining



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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca

DarkOne> Screw you guys, i'm going home.

hey Cool! im new here and was wondering if i could do a 1G 4g63 swap into my GST thats has had a 420a transplant into it cause of crankwalk and better turbo performance. i wann keep my 420a tranny and just do a flywheel cluthc conversion. Can this be done?

Oh yea, can you provide me with a complete parts list and ECU wiring diagram.

thanks

ImA NoOB!

Originally posted by tim97rs
hey Cool! im new here and was wondering if i could do a 1G 4g63 swap into my GST thats has had a 420a transplant into it cause of crankwalk and better turbo performance. i wann keep my 420a tranny and just do a flywheel cluthc conversion. Can this be done? Oh yea, can you provide me with a complete parts list and ECU wiring diagram. thanks ImA NoOB!

I want a new emoticon :bitchslap... all for you Tim.



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una salus victus
Mods List: http://highlander.dsmpower.com/sig.htm

Originally posted by tim97rs
Oh yea, can you provide me with a complete parts list and ECU wiring diagram. thanks ImA NoOB!

LMFAO

yea duh sceatbelt conversion on my gst to gsx was perty d0pe y0, gave me couple horsies to da wheels, except my gas gauge convurseion leaks gauge fluid out of the thing...so its kinda weird, and stuff. dee es em rangurs f0 life!



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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca

DarkOne> Screw you guys, i'm going home.

Originally posted by DarkOne
You got a good deal. I wouldn't have done it in a million years, but for all the work involved, you got away very cheap. How does it perform? For some reason, i hate this thread. I guess it was only a matter of time before someone actually did this, and i can't help but feel badly about it. So now, every fucking dumbshit newbie is going to be asking about this, and expect a genuine answer. Thanks. This is a sad day for me.

AMEN!!! And I highly dout the price tag of 3k will be easly reproduceable. I raise a toast to our sadness Dino. :cheers

Crangrats on sticking it out and getting it done.



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una salus victus
Mods List: http://highlander.dsmpower.com/sig.htm

Instead of refering to the "things we've seen before" forum we can just tell teh no0bs to PM NightEclipseRS

All you veterans need to book mark this thread now

I can see why it was so cheap....he was using a engine from a much older eclipse.....how much does a 1g 4g63 engine usually go for anyways.....600 to 800 dollars?????



Quarter mile drag racing is over rated

trust me, thats not why it was so cheap. shit, you can pick up 2 1st gens for 800 dollars. the cost is the labor, and machining. new motor mounts dont just make themselves

Originally posted by grain
the cost is the labor, and machining. new motor mounts dont just make themselves

yes they do, especially when you pay someone else to do it for you

Originally posted by Dinkjs
I can see why it was so cheap....he was using a engine from a much older eclipse.....how much does a 1g 4g63 engine usually go for anyways.....600 to 800 dollars????? Quarter mile drag racing is over rated

hehe well I knew a guy with a gst who I met at the races he had beaten me previously . Ended up that his car had a wasted clutch and he left it on the street parked cause he had no money for a clutch, so it got towed for being on the st for so long. I paid to get it out and gave him like 400 bucks for it . It was like 900 in total just for a gst all I bought was the clutch. I know why didnt I keep it? because 1st gens aren't really umm my type of car? =)besides interior was messed up bad. I know more people who are down to do it for 3000k to 3500. One is Dimas auto Repair in North Hollywood although they offered to do mine , they didnt anyone want to risk it? oh key of advise if your going to spend more then 4 grand your better off rebuilding your 420a for turbo and a custom Turbo kit

As said by Jesse James on Monster Garage: "With a saw, lathe, mill, power tools, and a heliarc anything is possible."


With that said. I guarantee you that if you had bought a $3000 turbo kit you're be just as fast and been that fast in 5 days not 5 months. Sorry, i'm not impressed. Good job, but poor decision

Went as far as to swap in a 2gt cluster too....:wary

my thoughts exactly chris....:wary
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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca

DarkOne> Screw you guys, i'm going home.

Originally posted by turbo8u
my thoughts exactly chris....:wary _________ 96 talon esi-t san clemente, ca DarkOne> Screw you guys, i'm going home.

That reminds me Im selling my old cluster if anyone wants to buy it for $50 bucks has reversable indiglos, its better than pitstops cluster for $125. Its up for grabs.

And to a_miller_76 nice opinion although I know For a FACT 3,000 dollars won't get me as fast as now I got homies with stage 2 turbokits and they're not all that fast only boostin like 5 psi to 8 and they die out top end. How do I know they die out? cause a all stock motor only headers,intake,exhaust,racing tranny, against a T3/T4 420a eclipse stock internals at 122 going uphill to palmdale wasnt much of a difference . Catch my drift? and my eclipse ran 18s at palmdale, but it had top end. Don't get me wrong Turbochargin a 420a will make it improve big time, but the gst I got was modified, besides i can hold 400 crank hp on stock internals and right tuning. So Im happy, now Im just trying to figure out this new thing that just came out for the 420a has officially been introduced to Japan, have you guys heard of the things they doing with it yet?

I don't care what anyone says, I think it's badass. both engines are awesome, and going from one to the another isn't really a step up or down. it's just different. I love the 420a for sure, but the sound of a modded 4g63 is just cool.

you HAVE to come to the next SoCal meet man. I wanna know how u did the electrical work :thumbsup

Originally posted by ez
I don't care what anyone says, I think it's badass. both engines are awesome, and going from one to the another isn't really a step up or down. it's just different. I love the 420a for sure, but the sound of a modded 4g63 is just cool. you HAVE to come to the next SoCal meet man. I wanna know how u did the electrical work :thumbsup

Thanks bro, I went once to the one down by Torrance, that was a long time ago, everyone was cool but when I got there mostly everyone had left already =(. whens the next meet?

one isn't scheduled yet, but maybe come December. a while back we had a really nice turnout, about 25 eclipses I think. we even recruited another guy drivin a 2gnt as we were caravaning to Dan's house. check out the announcements section semi-regularly.

I second a good job. In reference to the swap I don't think its a good idea for someone without any sort of mechanical background because well you put in something that was just not meant to be there. But as long as you know what your doing its not a big deal.

Yeah congrats! Looks like you did a great job.

Give it a few years, people will start wanting to swap 420a's into thier cars. ;)

AWESOME job man. I'm glad to see someone finally did it and put some pics up! I like your paint job also. I bet it pulls a little harder now :)

Thanks for all the good comments!
ok now that I got turbo
umm what do I do hehe?
I already ordered a profec b boost controller by greddy
and a turbo timer by greddy should be coming in 2morrow.
Question What do I do next? I need some new goals now =). Any suggestions Im all ears

18s and you say your faster? doubt it man, I was not flooring it. On the flat freeway I was taking you. Besides I smelled oil so I didnt push it and didnt run it. Im hitting 15's , im auto and only at 6psi.
I have the slips man, Youve seen that. Im all for supporting but just setting things straight.

oh and Im auto...

having set that straight...

Up for a drag lol I want to see just how much faster you are, You have nothing to fear...just 8psi and a blown HG. Not to mention a tranny thats on its way out. nothing like a friendly competition to light the fires lol

Woa congrats on the swap... Must have been a lot of work...

hehe Ivan I wasn't talking about us racing, that wouldn't be fair your auto Im stick hehe besides im looking forward to us racing again, I want to see if I've thaught you anything about shifting right hehe. =) hehe I smell competition. I was talking about some black eclipse I was racing once going to palmdale uphill and my nephew was in his supra racing the impala. don't trip Ivan ol buddy well race within 2 weeks or whenever you go stick shift, hehe, you show me 8 lbs Ill show you 11 lbs hehe j/k . damn its cold too cold. hmm perfect weather for intercoolers , and turbos. Ivan im going to go bug you soon hehe so you can help me install my turbo timer and boost controller hehe.lates...goodnight for tonight...

"Question What do I do next? I need some new goals now =). Any suggestions Im all ears"



how about an awd conversion??

Originally posted by fauchpj
"Question What do I do next? I need some new goals now =). Any suggestions Im all ears" how about an awd conversion??

no thank you, not worth it at all hell no! Never doing anything again that takes more than 3 days to do hehe.

aww...come on...I was going to suggest that too. Imagine the look on peoples faces when you say I have a 6 blot 4g63 2nd Gen RS-X:bowdown

Did you say that RRE had swaped a 4g63 into an NT or did you mean they have put 1g 4g63's into 2g 4g63 cars? Anyman man congrats on the swap, but I still think it's a waste of time and money. I hope it continues to run problem free for you. I also side with Dino here as it truly is a sad day all the noobs are going to think it's cake. Well heres to the new wave Dino :cheers

Originally posted by Kirby
Did you say that RRE had swaped a 4g63 into an NT or did you mean they have put 1g 4g63's into 2g 4g63 cars? Anyman man congrats on the swap, but I still think it's a waste of time and money. I hope it continues to run problem free for you. I also side with Dino here as it truly is a sad day all the noobs are going to think it's cake. Well heres to the new wave Dino :cheers

what I said is that RRE has done a 2nd gen non turbo car to a 4g63 turbo car they where first to do that but they havnt done a 1st gen turbo engine into a 2nd gen nonturbo car. I called cause I couldnt get an electrician who could do the job right, RRE didn't want to do it they explained to me they had only done it with 2g turbo parts and told me I should change to 2g gst computer 2g gst harnest 2g gst tranny, Didn't have enough money so I kept browsin.

personally, i still think its a waste of time as well.. that 3000 you spent could have gone towards a stage 2 kit and you could have seen 240whp.. more than you have now.

if you are talking about the motor doing 400whp on stock internals... i think youre wrong, but thats just me.

good luck..

Stock 2G 4G63 motors have held more than 400hp(not much more). It all depends on how well it is tuned and what kind of shape the parts are in. I say to each his own. I have both a NT and a 4G63 so I see both sides of the coin. Sure thats a lot of cash to put down for that work but if thats what he wants then so be it.

Originally posted by siueclipse
personally, i still think its a waste of time as well.. that 3000 you spent could have gone towards a stage 2 kit and you could have seen 240whp.. more than you have now. if you are talking about the motor doing 400whp on stock internals... i think youre wrong, but thats just me. good luck..

umm I got about 240hp or more like I said car was modified!, umm and I can still work on it a bit more, Don't start hating cause I always wanted a Turbo kit just like every guy without turbo. Its just I really thought about it, and it worked out better,

Update :
Eclipse brokee throttle body cord is too long pedal gets stuck reving high, needs cusions I dont know but something gives with the pedal so thats easy fix, and I got a question whats up with the psssshhh sound my greddy type s bov is suppose to be making am i tunnin my shit wrong? but umm Im having tranny problems Im starting to think that transmission needed more then a clutch so thats why I got the car so cheap. Ill have it checked out having trouble disengagin the clutch , screw it if trannys broken Im getting a racing tranny. anybody have any Idea how much the tranny will cost?

3 little problems can anyone help? Thanks I would appreciate the help

Why don't you swap in the old racing tranny you had before :rolleyes. Good job on finishing the swap but a big waste of time and effort. I also can't see how you manage to do engine work. Did your friends at the shop do it for you. Don't misguide future 2gnt'ers

Originally posted by Clay
Why don't you swap in the old racing tranny you had before :rolleyes. Good job on finishing the swap but a big waste of time and effort. I also can't see how you manage to do engine work. Did your friends at the shop do it for you. Don't misguide future 2gnt'ers

oh yea, your that guy I met once , went to your house when you were installing that blitz kit. Old Racing tranny got sold to one of my friends. but I got ripped off buying it last time in price I was told so looking for something better. When you get kicked out of your house at 17 your forced to go work in whatever you can find, I know basic mechanic skills, but Im becoming a pro at auto body though. So much sarcasm:wary chill it.

nice work man.....dont let people bring u down.......

dfresh

Good job at setting a milestone.

EEEEEEKKKKKK!!!

i think its awesome you did it....still 240 hp for 3k? and 5 months?
hmm lets think ....then again i have taken 4 months on my project 2.4 20g cause of lack of funds =)


I wouldent do it unless i were just doing it to go gsx eventualy

i think its pretty damn cool.

it doesnt matter if it was worth it or not. im sure it was fun, and you learned a lot. thats why you do these types of things, because you enjoy it. the car is faster than it was before, and its unique. there arent many people who can say theyve done it.

hehe now do an awd conversion! that would own :)

dont let all the negativity get you down man. nice work!

i think its awesome. great job!!!

to all who say its not worth it, you guys sound like the 4gs telling us 420a eclipses to sell it and just buy a gst or gsx.

when the hoards of noobies arrive, i'll just ignore them, like that dude in the turbo section who never searches, i just ignore him...

-------jezreel
hrc stage 1, sfmu, ml, prokits, egt, boost gauge, apexi tt, costum dp, dynotune fp gauge. gst muff, turbo spoiler

nothing like driving with the windows down and the music low: i love hearing the turbo spool, swwwhhhttt!!!!

Why is everyone so concerned about the cost/horsepower ratio? I think that it's awesome that he did this swap. Sure, he could have spent 3K on a turbo kit, but this is what he wanted to do. I mean geez he is the first one, at least as far as we know, to do this swap EVER. Give the guy some damn credit. Blah blah blah turbo kit.... doesn't ingenuity count for anything these days?

I give you two big thumbs up man. :thumbsup :thumbsup

Originally posted by DarkOne
You got a good deal. I wouldn't have done it in a million years, but for all the work involved, you got away very cheap. How does it perform? For some reason, i hate this thread. I guess it was only a matter of time before someone actually did this, and i can't help but feel badly about it. So now, every fucking dumbshit newbie is going to be asking about this, and expect a genuine answer. Thanks. This is a sad day for me.

jealous?
lol

Originally posted by NightEclipseRS
Hey guys finally I completed this swap , Feel like cussin for joy but I wont hehe. That shit is Hard! I got frustrated at points. 1st gens and 2nd gens don't mix. Just found out Im the first in the class to do first gen turbo into 2nd gen non turbo, cause RRE said they only did a 2ndgen 4g63 swap into another 2nd gen non turbo. I did the swap because I was tired of most' of the gst guys putting some of 2gnt guys down, saying this type of swap is impossible or cost over $8,000, and because I wanted to go faster hehe. Besides swap only cost me 3 grand in total. So it was a good investment because the car I took the engine from was already a modified gst. Umm I don't know what to say speechless Im done after 5 months and 3 days! if any of the 2gnt people ever need help because your going to do this or just got questions hit me up on aim : SolarBlueEclipse I'll be happy to help now that ive done this type of swap it might be easier for everyone else only reason why I went first gen swap to 2gen non turbo is because I heard those 4g63 engines had no crank walk and were stronger. Enough Talk here are the pics. Socal 2gnt--- :thumbsup
if you want to do the swap go to http://www.cardomain.com/id/lightningfast For More pics go to http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=10108&cat=500 Thanks to everyone RRE, GSR motorsports, V&A Autobody, and Jimenez Auto Electric on 51st and Main St. Thanks everyone

...but I think this is the craziest swap done - period, may even top the ol 2.4.

Good Job :thumbsup

Dino you're a funny guy :7

That really kicks ass that you did the swap after so many people put it down and said that it would be too damn expensive to do. For three grand I'd rather have a modded 4g63 in a 420a car than have the same turbo kit that everyone else has, regardless of the horsepower. But on the same token, there are a lot of people that have a 4g63 in their eclipse. i give you mad props for proving a lot of people wrong and for much less.







18 focal g7's
custom exhaust
weapon r coilovers
stage 1 clutchmasters
shaved stuff:
antennae
rear wiper and squirter
spoiler
reverse lights
Lexus blue metallic
oh yeah...it's a 99 gs

definitely come to the next SoCal meet, i wanna see this up close. congrat!

wow :bowdown , but then again with that amount of money you could have had a 12 sec 420a. good job though.

umm it than 3000 to take a 420 into the 12s. if it did, most of us would be running that.

-------jezreel
hrc stage 1, sfmu, ml, prokits, egt, boost gauge, apexi tt, costum dp, dynotune fp gauge. gst muff, turbo spoiler

nothing like driving with the windows down and the music low: i love hearing the turbo spool, swwwhhhttt!!!!

Originally posted by projectturbo
wow :bowdown , but then again with that amount of money you could have had a 12 sec 420a. good job though.

hahahahahaha yeah right!!

hehe Thanks guy, brand new news.... I was driving the eclipse when all of sudden something went wrong became harder to shift, had to shift quick while normal driving to get the stick into gear.. umm shifted to 2nd and it felt like i started running over a big rock or something. Im starting to think that gst i bought for 900 bucks was too good to be true, somethings messed up mechanics don't want to even bother to look except for 2 but too expensive. clutch could be bad, pressure plate,flywheel,whole tranny, hydrollic, and for sure the brake booster thing is hard , car breaks like it has drums on all 4s.

other news
car was egged, has hunny, and flour.
Good thing is I know who did it
our neighbor said it was a "description" in a white supra.
My nephew did it, I got in a fight with him 5 months ago cause he jacked my first 3 grand to do this swap left my car out on the st. without my performance parts, it almost got towed. 2 months ago I saw him at the races beat him and his 2 other little stupid friends up. so this is what they did to my car

what would you guys do if you guys were in my situation, cop system dont work they said all i can get after this is a restraining order that shits not my type of thing I can hurt him more then he can hurt me. any suggestions?

i say, steal his car. them beat him up.

this is pretty ghey IMO. yea, u have the 1st 6bolt NT conversion that we know of. good job. you mentioned your 6bolt was modified? what exactly is done to it? for the $4,000 you spent total, I wouldve just went HRC stage 3. And been like, "Hey look at me I have a 20G which is alot cooler than your T25." to each his own. also, $3000 = one hellaciously fast 1G GST IMO...( :puke 4G63)

This thread makes me giggle. :P

Congrats!... um... wanna race a stock 1G Laser at the next Socal meet? It's this Saturday. :9 Hope ya can make it!

star stage 1 $2000 + Pistons n Rods $ 600 + 100 shots of nitrous $400+ you gut the car= should be pretty fucking fast, but then again your engine will prob go out
:thumbsup

Originally posted by projectturbo
star stage 1 $2000 + Pistons n Rods $ 600 + 100 shots of nitrous $400+ you gut the car= should be pretty fucking fast, but then again your engine will prob go out :thumbsup

STFU n00b!

Congrats on the accomplishment.

Nick
97RS

turbo8u> shut your SUCK
ZAO684: NIPPLE warning...maybe>?

UPDATE

Attention anyone wanting to do this swap! Here's what REALLY happened to this car:

http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/single/ld/detail.jhtml?paId=142071972&aff=recycler&src=&cid=

1996 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST RS converted to GST Shell For Sale click on more details for info., Alright this is a 96 eclipse rs that was converted to a GST .Selling the car with no motor. Comes with rdora bodykit, and drilled and slotted disc. Car is rdy for a 4g63T motor. For more info contact me on aim: SolarBlueEclipse or email me at SolarBlueEclipse@sbcglobal.net for more info. or you can call my cell and ask me any question you want. $1100 213-305-7842 VIN: 4A3AK34Y4TE379590

I heard he sold the 4g63 engine a couple weeks ago because it never ran right, and now here is the cut up shell for sale. This is a warning to anyone who has ever considered this swap. Not hating on anyone, just showing the facts. Interpret them as you like, but looks to me like a failed swap, not a successful one as claimed.

Originally posted by thedawg
UPDATE Attention anyone wanting to do this swap! Here's what REALLY happened to this car: http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/single/ld/detail.jhtml?paId=142071972&aff=recycler&src=&cid= 1996 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST RS converted to GST Shell For Sale click on more details for info., Alright this is a 96 eclipse rs that was converted to a GST .Selling the car with no motor. Comes with rdora bodykit, and drilled and slotted disc. Car is rdy for a 4g63T motor. For more info contact me on aim: SolarBlueEclipse or email me at SolarBlueEclipse@sbcglobal.net for more info. or you can call my cell and ask me any question you want. $1100 213-305-7842 VIN: 4A3AK34Y4TE379590 I heard he sold the 4g63 engine a couple weeks ago because it never ran right, and now here is the cut up shell for sale. This is a warning to anyone who has ever considered this swap. Not hating on anyone, just showing the facts. Interpret them as you like, but looks to me like a failed swap, not a successful one as claimed.

good lord

bucket and a half



kind of suspected something was up because of his puerile wording... usually when a guy knows his shit he talks like a college professor... lol

haha! what a total waste of money and time! atleast he learned the hard way! i feel like egging his car just for being dumb in doing it.

lmao own3d! thats sucks but yet its kinda funny

i'm kind of glad that it failed.

all that a successful 4g63 swap would signify is that the 420a is only good enough for the junk heap...

Fortunately, and quite ironically, I think that exact 420a is sitting in my garage right now. It has a crappy spraypainted blue valve cover. The block has already been machined, and forged JE pistons will be going into it this week. :evilgrin

And I like how he told me I was a dumbass for my opinion of "you could have spent $3,000 and 5 days not 5 months and have been just as fast"


Fuckin tard. He deserved it.

i cant believe you guys believe him in the first place, this pic is totally photoshopped imo

SEE ALL YOU IGNANT MOFOS ... I TOLD YOU SO:rolleyes :bash :wallbash

I saw that thing in person, Sad sad sight. It was not 3K it was more like 8K and still never ran right.
Ill shut up now,

oh wait how come you all listen to crack whore Dawg there but no me? Thats it Dan I owe you one:cheers but for now im solo:beer

I don't get why its so hard... I mean if you can put an M3 motor into a 318ti.... you SHOULD be able to drop a fwd turbo motor into a car set up for fwd... just need a solid donor car

Originally posted by GhEttOrAiD
I don't get why its so hard... I mean if you can put an M3 motor into a 318ti.... you SHOULD be able to drop a fwd turbo motor into a car set up for fwd... just need a solid donor car

Because the motor mounts are totally different. On a framed car like a BMW or an old muscle car you can simply bolt new motor mounts to the frame. But on a FWD uni-body car you can't do that. You have to cut and weld new motor mounts. Which if they aren't measured correctly within a millimeter your entire drive geometry will be off.

That and NONE of the wiring is correct. Go outside and mess with your wiring harness. It's not just in the engine bay but goes into the car as well. And they're all connected. So you have to completely rewire the whole car.


If done correctly by a professional shop, yes I'm sure it's possible. But it's not like a Honda where you can just change a harness and plug in a new ECU.

Originally posted by a_miller_76

Originally posted by GhEttOrAiD I don't get why its so hard... I mean if you can put an M3 motor into a 318ti.... you SHOULD be able to drop a fwd turbo motor into a car set up for fwd... just need a solid donor car

Because the motor mounts are totally different. On a framed car like a BMW or an old muscle car you can simply bolt new motor mounts to the frame. But on a FWD uni-body car you can't do that. You have to cut and weld new motor mounts. Which if they aren't measured correctly within a millimeter your entire drive geometry will be off. That and NONE of the wiring is correct. Go outside and mess with your wiring harness. It's not just in the engine bay but goes into the car as well. And they're all connected. So you have to completely rewire the whole car. If done correctly by a professional shop, yes I'm sure it's possible. But it's not like a Honda where you can just change a harness and plug in a new ECU.

Yeah bmw's have subframes or ... whatever... maybe that and the fact that it costs like ten grand to do... heh

Know what else makes it easy to put an M3 motor into any 3 series? You are replacing a BMW motor with a BMW motor. A 420a-4G63 swap is going from a Chrysler motor to a Mitsubishi motor. The mounts are different, as is the wiring. With a RWD car, the motor will ALWAYS sit forward of the transmission. With a transversely mounted engine, the engine can be on either side of the engine bay (i.e. 420a on the passenger side, 4G63 on the driver's side).

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Ivan you need to shut up dude... you saw the car when it was in the shop. and it Cost 3k... except for th 200 bucks on the clutch I spent but that was my personal taste A!. I got reciepts to prove it. or maybe the only reason why you say 8k Ivan is because you know my first 3k got jacked by my own family member. And I did work all my glitches out where I proceeded to turbo-performance of van nuys california where I ran a big Turbo with no fuel system. I Put it Down on anything this Car ran Right... you guys don't believe me? I Still have the car with everything complete with only a blown headgasket and that shit will run. So Ivan if you don't believe go see for your self you know my cell number hit me up.

Originally posted by NightEclipseRS
Ivan you need to shut up dude... you saw the car when it was in the shop. and it Cost 3k... except for th 200 bucks on the clutch I spent but that was my personal taste A!. I got reciepts to prove it. or maybe the only reason why you say 8k Ivan is because you know my first 3k got jacked by my own family member. And I did work all my glitches out where I proceeded to turbo-performance of van nuys california where I ran a big Turbo with no fuel system. I Put it Down on anything this Car ran Right... you guys don't believe me? I Still have the car with everything complete with only a blown headgasket and that shit will run. So Ivan if you don't believe go see for your self you know my cell number hit me up.

post the number of the shop that did all the work, i'll call them and pretend to want a 4g63 swap

Ok, Dude, Im not trying to bash your attempt. I just think its not right that you are misleading these guys. Most of the guys here wont buy into your attemp, you just have not shown proof. Thats none of my concern, spit out what ever you want. What I do think is worng is you leading on the noobz or guys that dont have a clue. Stop wasting the moderators time, the sites bandwith and getting off on your attention loving posts. Im just telling the new guys to be carefull what they ask for, just like I told you.

Who was it that you were calling when you had a questio? when your "professionals" and "mechanics" didnt understand something? Yeah you left that out hugh? What else did you leave out? The fact that you bought an entire GST to do the swap? that you mangled the gst and made it worthless after? That this professionals ( mind you one was saying he worked for porsche? Then he works at a battery service shop?) wanted to then drop the 420a into the 1G that they took the 4G63 out of?

How many different shops did you take it to? last I counted was 4-5 maybe? Oh and who financed this? Yeah left that out too hugh? Lets not forget the "racing tranny" you claimed you had?

see, I'll admit, I have nothing against pepople trying this, just please state facts. I know everyone likes to brag a bit or a lot, just ticks me off when its a lot and I know the truth. Most of the time I let it go by, I ignore it. Not this time thoug. Your calling me a liar, well Im just saying what I do know, now If you lied to ME and I understood wrong then I apologise. Just dont give one version to some people and another to others.

I know by me responding to this post it degrades this site even more. If you want to exchange a reply please use the PM icon. I responded because, I at least want to save some face on this. Learn, just like all the other new guys on here, I learn all the time. Show me how you ran this "big turbo" with out a fuel system . Show me that you can read flow charts and calculate simple ratios. Then Ill beleive you when you throw a number my way. Till then post this in the PITS.

^^^^i'm still glad you brought that update back, 'cause i'm tired of the old "i wanna swap to a 4g63" BS. this is a great thread so every noob would understand what the expectations would be on this. it's simply a waste of money to me just like this guy did. now he has to sell it? that obviously tells me it's not running right. i don't believe that headgasket BS 'cause that's easy to fix. provide that number or give us proof that it runs 100% like if it was a factory GST and i'll believe it's worth it.

Originally posted by Chamuko
Ok, Dude, Im not trying to bash your attempt. I just think its not right that you are misleading these guys. Most of the guys here wont buy into your attemp, you just have not shown proof. Thats none of my concern, spit out what ever you want. What I do think is worng is you leading on the noobz or guys that dont have a clue. Stop wasting the moderators time, the sites bandwith and getting off on your attention loving posts. Im just telling the new guys to be carefull what they ask for, just like I told you. Who was it that you were calling when you had a questio? when your "professionals" and "mechanics" didnt understand something? Yeah you left that out hugh? What else did you leave out? The fact that you bought an entire GST to do the swap? that you mangled the gst and made it worthless after? That this professionals ( mind you one was saying he worked for porsche? Then he works at a battery service shop?) wanted to then drop the 420a into the 1G that they took the 4G63 out of? How many different shops did you take it to? last I counted was 4-5 maybe? Oh and who financed this? Yeah left that out too hugh? Lets not forget the "racing tranny" you claimed you had? see, I'll admit, I have nothing against pepople trying this, just please state facts. I know everyone likes to brag a bit or a lot, just ticks me off when its a lot and I know the truth. Most of the time I let it go by, I ignore it. Not this time thoug. Your calling me a liar, well Im just saying what I do know, now If you lied to ME and I understood wrong then I apologise. Just dont give one version to some people and another to others. I know by me responding to this post it degrades this site even more. If you want to exchange a reply please use the PM icon. I responded because, I at least want to save some face on this. Learn, just like all the other new guys on here, I learn all the time. Show me how you ran this "big turbo" with out a fuel system . Show me that you can read flow charts and calculate simple ratios. Then Ill beleive you when you throw a number my way. Till then post this in the PITS.

this whole thread can be ended/deleted if he lets us call one of the 4-5 shops and ask what they did with his car

not like they have confidentiality agreements or something

Bahahaha

Im sorry it did not work man ...and NO a 4g63 swap is not a Better deal than a 2.4 with turbo internals (yah you canot rev as high but you dont need to....)....maybe a 4g64 2.3 hybrid ....

Originally posted by BlueMoonEclipse
Bahahaha Im sorry it did not work man ...and NO a 4g63 swap is not a Better deal than a 2.4 with turbo internals (yah you canot rev as high but you dont need to....)....maybe a 4g64 2.3 hybrid ....

The 2.4L will take 7200 rpms all day or 8K, it's the rod caps that you will have to contend with.

His cardomain account already said that the shop tried it and got the engine in but nothing lined up and everything was ghetto rigged. Sounds like the shop ended up giving up and the car never ran. He tried and failed miserably. The shop probably only charged him $3000 because they didn't get anything accomplished. Who knows.

to each his own. a stage 3 kit ill get you powr but it wont be long before a rebuild needs to happen. as far as that swap went i think it could hav egone better. you just have to make lemons into lemonade with the 420a

Thats cool you did the swap
iM looking to do a 1.8 first gen to a 2.0. DO YOU HAPPen to know what has to be done ECU wiring wise? i know everything else, but what wiring has to be done. Thanks
Jarod March

Originally posted by astaindsoul5446
Thats cool you did the swap iM looking to do a 1.8 first gen to a 2.0. DO YOU HAPPen to know what has to be done ECU wiring wise? i know everything else, but what wiring has to be done. Thanks Jarod March

You did some searching. This thread is almost three years old. The guy who "did this" hasn't been to this forum since April 22nd, 2004. Sorry. We're not having this place turn into 4G63 swap central.

If you really want to do this, you need to forget about some 1.8L nonsense for starters, and then you need to go into forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=87532&mesg_id=87532&page= and send a PM to the OP asking him for advice.

That is the only swap thread on this forum that won't be locked right away, although it could happen at any time.

Kudos for your searching. Now just keep an eye on the dates. If it's older, send the OP a PM to avoid embarassment or something.

Locked.