I am #2 on this group buy... i have not posted on any thread until now. I would rather get the right thing the first time then get something that "might" work. Yes we have all waited a long time on this group buy... But look at what we are getting and the price we paid. Anyone who has any experience in project management will tell you, if you want it good and cheap it will not be done fast... I think glenn is doing a good job on keeping us updated. We will get what we paid for, and i hope every single person who gets thier tie-bars will give glenn some appreciation for the work he has done.