I was taking a look at that long list of fastest DSMs and the fastest FWD all motor eclipse ran like a 15.5 :( Just wondering if that was accurate because I want to go all motor and that is pretty damn sad if it can't even break 14s with all motor.

The fastest all motor is a 15.5 right now. I was planning on 13's but I don't think I am keeping the car long enough to do it anymore. There are a few guys on here that are going to go all out and I know they will be hitting 14's and maybe even 13's. Weight is a big fastor because we have heavy cars, and that slows us down a lot. And just to give you an idea, the 15.5 is an all motor with just bolt ons and a lot of track time to work on the launch which is EXTREMELY important for all motor. My best run at the track was a 16.4 @ 83mph with a 2.420 60' time. I had one run with a 88mph trap speed but I had grinded a gear so the time was like 17.0 Either was, it can be done, but no one has done it yet. The person with the most $$$ wins!


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Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

anything is possible. hondas run 10's all motor.

Neons have done 11's with our motor.

*wishes he had the most $$$*

But all motor honda's are nothing more than a racing seat, a wheel, 2 gauges and the shifter, and arn't their bodies just 1 peice fiberglass kits? I dunno thats what I heard.

You know what would be real cool a all motor eclipse, daily driver, full interior and nice system running low 13's.

personally? I think that ANYTHING can be done with the right amount of money. I think it can be done. Just mite be WAY over the cost of a turbo kit in the long run.....

i know a guy runs 14s all motor RS


96RS ~ full 99GS Special Edit. body conversion, aem cai, greddy header, greddy sp exhaust, afx pulley, B&M sS, magecores & NGKs, S-AFC, A/F and Volt guages, Sparco Torino Seat, illuminas, prokits, ingalls camber, gunmetal GS rims, ST Sways, STBs, lower rear tie bar, Sony Xplode head, Xplode 10 disk, Boston Components, 2 Kenwood amps, 12" MTX sub, a shit load more.

97GSX ~ K&N FIPK, Greddy IC Piping, Type S bov, and free mods. To all the haters _|_ tia

definitely possible, my buddy has gone 12.90's all motor in a 420a powered neon w/ slicks, scott mueller went 11.80's when he was still in street trim in his 420a neon, now he runs 11.10's, but hes race trim now. My friends car weighs in at 2200 lbs, figure an eclipse weighs 2800lbs, with the same power as my friends neon and slicks, itll be mid 13s.

yeah, anything is possible if you have the cash. i just prefer to save up for my beamer, which will run 13's stock.

>i know a guy runs 14s all motor RS


Hey Kory, I call it BULL SHIT until proven otherwise buy a timeslip!





current status unknown

http://hometown.aol.com/ohshootuhh/

Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

>>i know a guy runs 14s all motor RS
>
>
>Hey Kory, I call it BULL SHIT until proven otherwise buy a
>timeslip!


WORD!

sorry if u guys think so, i was there when it happen right before my eyes and so was WYATT. ask him :)

96RS ~ full 99GS Special Edit. body conversion, aem cai, greddy header, greddy sp exhaust, afx pulley, B&M sS, magecores & NGKs, S-AFC, A/F and Volt guages, Sparco Torino Seat, illuminas, prokits, ingalls camber, gunmetal GS rims, ST Sways, STBs, lower rear tie bar, Sony Xplode head, Xplode 10 disk, Boston Components, 2 Kenwood amps, 12" MTX sub, a shit load more.

97GSX ~ K&N FIPK, Greddy IC Piping, Type S bov, and free mods. To all the haters _|_ tia

13's or 14's all motor -- possible if you have a lot of money. Making a N/A car fast is much harder than making a turbo car fast. Turbo opens up all kinds of options, for less.

okay so who is this person running 14's all motor and what mods does he have and why is he not on the board. . .or was he? (skrilla?)


current status unknown

http://hometown.aol.com/ohshootuhh/

Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

Its true about the 14's all motor eclipse. I believe he dialed in a 14.8 and got a 14.5 or something. I have a picture of his car :)

I wanna see it.


current status unknown

http://hometown.aol.com/ohshootuhh/

Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

Why hasn't he posted to the times page then? Tell him to post that time already! I'd much prefer to see a 14 second time as the fastest time than my 15.589 second time.

Oh, slow99gsdriver that fastest time is me, and my mods are below.

I know all motors can get into the 14's and 13's
I think the only reason eclipse's don't is cause most people don't spend the time to do that... the moto I generally see around here is "TURBO TURBO TURBO" hehe...

by the way... I can get my zx2 into the high 14's with just a head kit (and yes, it's not BS, a guy has already done it) but it's a pretty expensive kit and I can't shell out much money on my ride just yet.

I believe it to be possible, that's why I am building all motor. Hopefully my setup will be very interesting a few years down the road at a future shoot out. I may not get there first, but I will get there.

"The fastest draw is when the sword never leaves the scabbard,
The strongest way to block, is never to provoke a blow,
And the cleanest cut is the one withheld."

Michael J. Kulaga
e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com aol IM: MJKulga
http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

All Motor Beast in the Making

Injen CAI, 55mm TB, Hooker 4-1 Stepped Header, GS-T Muffler, AFX UDP, S-AFC, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, SS Clutch Line, NRG Susp. Motor Mount Ins., FU/RU/RL STBs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730 215/45ZR-17. Front KVR Cross-Drilled Rotors and Carbon Fiber Pads

To Be Installed: Ported/Polished Intake Manifold, Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads

and the guy is... :) :) :)


96RS ~ full 99GS Special Edit. body conversion, aem cai, greddy header, greddy sp exhaust, afx pulley, B&M sS, magecores & NGKs, S-AFC, A/F and Volt guages, Sparco Torino Seat, illuminas, prokits, ingalls camber, gunmetal GS rims, ST Sways, STBs, lower rear tie bar, Sony Xplode head, Xplode 10 disk, Boston Components, 2 Kenwood amps, 12" MTX sub, a shit load more.

97GSX ~ K&N FIPK, Greddy IC Piping, Type S bov, and free mods. To all the haters _|_ tia

Am I right Kory?

well if the stroker kit is included in the all engine... ya its possible

that red klips looks like it plans on sweeping the dirt off the track while racing!

yeps dats roland's car tia


96RS ~ full 99GS Special Edit. body conversion, aem cai, greddy header, greddy sp exhaust, afx pulley, B&M sS, magecores & NGKs, S-AFC, A/F and Volt guages, Sparco Torino Seat, illuminas, prokits, ingalls camber, gunmetal GS rims, ST Sways, STBs, lower rear tie bar, Sony Xplode head, Xplode 10 disk, Boston Components, 2 Kenwood amps, 12" MTX sub, a shit load more.

97GSX ~ K&N FIPK, Greddy IC Piping, Type S bov, and free mods. To all the haters _|_ tia

well the reason peeps go turbo turbo turbo is because it's the easiest and cheapest way to get horsepower. Look at the Japanese all they do is turbo turbo turbo. Turbocharging has practically no disadvantages, it's just that you tune in a slightly different route.

Anyway we need an ECU first if we wanna be all motor monsters.

is that McDonald's Type R eclipse?

that bish looks like a happy meal on wheels. WORD!

The front tire diameter is ridiculously small. You'd have to shift out of 1st at 15 mph with those on, but they would lower (make numerically higher) the final drive ratio, probably from a 3.94:1 to a 5.00:1 :)

Would anyone know (or car to guess) what the size of the front tires are on that thing? Or, what it has done to it?

that guy must not know that low profile tires make your drag racing times slower... haha.

Need some good sized side walls to drag race most effectively.
what he should do is swap his front and rear tires... he'd get better times.

>that guy must not know that low profile tires make your drag
>racing times slower... haha.
>
>Need some good sized side walls to drag race most
>effectively.
>what he should do is swap his front and rear tires... he'd
>get better times.


Acually you are wrong. Read the post above this yours. The smaller diameter tire will help to increase the speed of the car due to a different gear ratio. Now if you are talking about slicks on a race car then you do want some sidewall due to the way a slick tire works.



current status unknown

http://hometown.aol.com/ohshootuhh/

Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

I was mearly talking traction.. he will get more torque to the ground cause of the small diameter tire, yes. but.. what does he need it for? stock diameter tires have difficulty keeping traction with how much torque is going to the ground, so with that small tire he's gonna have to go really easy on the launches and that I'm guessing will negate any benifites he's gonna get from the lower gear ratio.

now what would be best in my opinion is to go with a smaller diameter tire.. and go with a much much smaller diameter wheel.. so you could keep a good sized sidewall and have the small overall ratio cause of the smaller tire.. but that might be hard to do depending on how large the front brakes are.

on that run, he was running slicks... and yes it's major modded NA motor... mum's da werd


96RS ~ full 99GS Special Edit. body conversion, aem cai, greddy header, greddy sp exhaust, afx pulley, B&M sS, magecores & NGKs, S-AFC, A/F and Volt guages, Sparco Torino Seat, illuminas, prokits, ingalls camber, gunmetal GS rims, ST Sways, STBs, lower rear tie bar, Sony Xplode head, Xplode 10 disk, Boston Components, 2 Kenwood amps, 12" MTX sub, a shit load more.

97GSX ~ K&N FIPK, Greddy IC Piping, Type S bov, and free mods. To all the haters _|_ tia

Well this is what I know of that he has.

12.35@115.89mph Dual Stage 60shot
14.5@95.5mph All motor
12.7@109mph last Sunday at CMI with the Turbo Kit... Not bad considering the car itself still needs major tuning and bigger slicks.

Engine
AEM Cold Air Intake
AEM Cam Gears
Extrude Honed Intake Manifold

Greddy Headers
RSR Cat Back Exhaust
Magnecore 8.5mm Plug Wires
MSD DIS-2 Ignition w/tach adapter
NGK BKR7E Spark Plugs
NOS 2 Stage 60shot Progressive Kit
AFX Solid Engine Mounts
B&M Edge Short Shift Kit
Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch
*Stock* Bored Throttle Body
*Stock* Lightened Flywheel
*Stock* Ported and Polished Head
*Stock* Regrinded Cams
*Stock* Shot Peened Rods
*Stock* Welded Differential



Suspension

Ground Control Coil-Over Kit
Kyb Struts
Tenzo R Front and Rear Tower Bars
Pilot Rear Lower Tie Bar
RM GST Front/Rear Sway bars
Energy Suspension bushing kit



Exterior

SenseiFrontBumper
Strada F1 Side (molded)
Blitz Rear Bumper
Carisma Carbon Fiber Hood
Veilside Style Rear Spoiler
17" GSX rims w/225-45-17zr Yokohama AVS
Clear Projection Headlights
PIAA 6" Driving Lights
Sparco Hood Pins


Interior
APC Indiglo gauges
Auto Meter 5" tach w/ Shiftlight
Auto Meter Air/Fuel ratio meter
Auto Power 4 Point Race Roll Bar
RAZO Race Pedals and Shift Knob
Custom Three Tone Black/Red/White Interior

he welded the differential? damn.. hope it doesn't plan on driving it anywhere put down a drag strip. which if that is the case.. means some of the other mods are pointless weight.. like front and rear strut tower braces.

Slicks would by far overcome the traction problems that the smaller diamter tires have, and the poort traction and our stock tires.

I will run a smaller diamter slick at the track oncee she is fast enough to need slicks so I can get a better gear ratio. Which BTW is one of the advantages the neon has over us. is stock their tires are a smaller diamter and I can tell you from owning both the difference does mean more shifts within a certain mph range. and that means you spend less time in each gear. Great for the track.

"The fastest draw is when the sword never leaves the scabbard,
The strongest way to block, is never to provoke a blow,
And the cleanest cut is the one withheld."

Michael J. Kulaga
e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com aol IM: MJKulga
http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

All Motor Beast in the Making

Injen CAI, 55mm TB, Hooker 4-1 Stepped Header, GS-T Muffler, AFX UDP, S-AFC, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, SS Clutch Line, NRG Susp. Motor Mount Ins., FU/RU/RL STBs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730 215/45ZR-17. Front KVR Cross-Drilled Rotors and Carbon Fiber Pads

To Be Installed: Ported/Polished Intake Manifold, Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads

*stock is a relative term hehe


96RS ~ full 99GS Special Edit. body conversion, aem cai, greddy header, greddy sp exhaust, afx pulley, B&M sS, magecores & NGKs, S-AFC, A/F and Volt guages, Sparco Torino Seat, illuminas, prokits, ingalls camber, gunmetal GS rims, ST Sways, STBs, lower rear tie bar, Sony Xplode head, Xplode 10 disk, Boston Components, 2 Kenwood amps, 12" MTX sub, a shit load more.

97GSX ~ K&N FIPK, Greddy IC Piping, Type S bov, and free mods. To all the haters _|_ tia

Actually Todd, I've still got you beat. Just lightly. 15.587. Done in the dead Houston heat with blown rear shocks with only an intake and exhaust mind you. =o) Oh yeah, I'm not dead. Just been gone a while.

WB jake.

Long time no see.

heh heh, yea I remember, but what's a few thousandths between friends? :)

yeah, wb jake. you alson got some good kill stories. ;)

anyone who has the Sport Compact Car can see that there is an 11 second all motor neon :D it has four 47 mm TB JE pistons (12.0:1) crane cams unorthodox cam gears, ect........ if you want to read about it go buy it lol unless you ask niceley for me to scan it