I just raced a 98-2000 Z28 other day and actually won. He had worse traction than me in his auto than I did for once. I beat him but not by much..but it still a win no matter what. We raced again and I couldn't go into 3rd...damn clutch cable..so I lost. We also ran from a roll at 30mph a few times and he pulled on me by about 1 1/2 cars up to 100. The Z28 was auto with GMS lid,filter, and Flowmaster exhaust. I'm assuming my car is 14.0 or so with traction from all the cars I either beat or run with. I can also hang with a S2000 up to 100 where it pulls on me slowly. Those are 13.8 sec cars. Can't wait for Nitto's..be here in 2 days...TRACTION!!! For once!! :)