They arent that much lighter than us granted a couple hundred pounds. I think they weigh in at 2724 without a person in it. And ours are what 2890? something like that. The weight difference isnt that great. What do our cars run stock with/without automatic? 5-speed our cars are mid 16's right? They may have 160hp but they only have 112 torque which is pretty damn shitty.