discussion of techniques:http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=fec56399d20b108721f8c5442940aeda&threadid=50055&highlight=fwd+60ftsome claims and various 60' times to give you an idea of what's good and bad:http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5784Sure, it may be for gst's but I'm sure the theories are sound.ps. My 4g63 friends sent the link to me, I don't ever browse dsmtalk otherwise. :9